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I just think we need a defensive specialist adding to the coaching staff.

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Agar is noway a good sl coach he just gotvs bit of luck towards the end of last season.if you look at things our defence as alwsys been poor since the day he took over as our effort in defending kicks i can remember watching the cas friendly match at start of last season and thinkin summet needs to be done bout that and 18 months on how many trys are we still concedin from kicks.
His signings too yes he made some good but some bad so yes he got aiton smith collis but got lynne john molloy.and to let ellis go was stupid.to me agar has to go but he wont

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Quote: Disney cat "No you are right I blame Elston for setting Agar on so for me Agar & Elston out disney cat neverbefore as a more true word been spoken these two it has to be said built this team together and in my opinion Mr Agar esquire has deskilled what on paper looked a half decent time when first put together and as you know Elston is not my favourite person of all time as he will stab anyone in the back for his own personal gain Hull KR and Francis Stephenson Spring to mind, So yes out aith the pair of them Come on MR Glover your a clever man you must have picked up enough to run this club better than him by now.

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I preffered watching the waifs strays and kids play when the club was down the shoot and JK and PB managed to get the group to perform beyond their individual capabilities. This lot are a much more talented group but woefully underperforming. I wonder what the JK could have achieved with this group, pretty certain he would have had much more success than the current boss.

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The thing is JK isn't here nor I doubt will be coming back.. We'll all have our different opinions of what he will do with the squad but in reality we will never actually find out.
We just need to get behind the lads and hopefully the click and put some performances in so we stay above Castleford!

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I just don't understand why it's going so wrong at the moment. On paper we have a talented 19 or so players but although they've been playing together for 18 months they're playing like its the first time.

Defence is my biggest concern and I'd love to see the stats and know what the real issues are with the team.

Are the players and coaches working well together because their performances suggest otherwise, wonder if there is friction?

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Quote: asmadasa "I just don't understand why it's going so wrong at the moment. On paper we have a talented 19 or so players but although they've been playing together for 18 months they're playing like its the first time.

Defence is my biggest concern and I'd love to see the stats and know what the real issues are with the team.

Are the players and coaches working well together because their performances suggest otherwise, wonder if there is friction?'"


I think it may be a complacency issue, suffering from the so called "second season syndrome." It's up to Agar to arrest this as soon as possible.

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Its injuries and suspensions to key people, which have effected the team. As well as not playing together regularly, the obvious defects from last year that have not been fixed ie wingers and high balls.

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Quote: dragon13 "[sizeAgar is noway a good sl coach he just gotvs bit of luck towards the end of last season.[/sizeif you look at things our defence as alwsys been poor since the day he took over as our effort in defending kicks i can remember watching the cas friendly match at start of last season and thinkin summet needs to be done bout that and 18 months on how many trys are we still concedin from kicks.
His signings too yes he made some good but some bad so yes he got aiton smith collis but got lynne john molloy.and to let ellis go was stupid.to me agar has to go but he wont'"


What a load of old rubbish. You don't have a 7 game winning streak in SL and put it down to luck. WE managed to beat Leeds and Saints in that period. Of course were in a rut at the moment it happens, Agar coached us to over a 50% win rate last season, that's the first time since 2009 we achieved that and only the 3rd time since we've been in SL. People need to get real in their assessment of our their expectations. With our budget anything around 50% win rate is excellent. To call for Agars head at this stage of the season is crazy, the ability is there in team, it just seems a few players have dropped out of form at the same time along with other carrying injuries. I'm sure Agar knows what needs to be done. Lets get this killer of a game over with this weekend and see how we go against Salford and London.

Fans do really over react, I think last year fans thought we was going to progress higher then 8th, in reality that will never happen unless we have a bigger investment into the team. I can't see that happening anytime before Newmarket.

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Quote: deeHell "What a load of old rubbish. You don't have a 7 game winning streak in SL and put it down to luck. WE managed to beat Leeds and Saints in that period. Of course were in a rut at the moment it happens, Agar coached us to over a 50% win rate last season, that's the first time since 2009 we achieved that and only the 3rd time since we've been in SL. People need to get real in their assessment of our their expectations. With our budget anything around 50% win rate is excellent. To call for Agars head at this stage of the season is crazy, the ability is there in team, it just seems a few players have dropped out of form at the same time along with other carrying injuries. I'm sure Agar knows what needs to be done. Lets get this killer of a game over with this weekend and see how we go against Salford and London.

Fans do really over react, I think last year fans thought we was going to progress higher then 8th, in reality that will never happen unless we have a bigger investment into the team. I can't see that happening anytime before Newmarket.'"


I am shocked! Sensible post on this thread.
Thank you DeeHell.

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Quote: charlie63wildcat "Frankly don't care. A short term appointment fo the remainder. Someone proposed Willie Poching and I'm happy to see how that goes for 12 matches. NOTHING ccan be as bad as this Seeite'"

Tony Kemp anyone? Thought he was an assistant for some top coach in NRL. a046.gif

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Quote: deeHell "What a load of old rubbish. You don't have a 7 game winning streak in SL and put it down to luck. WE managed to beat Leeds and Saints in that period. Of course were in a rut at the moment it happens, Agar coached us to over a 50% win rate last season, that's the first time since 2009 we achieved that and only the 3rd time since we've been in SL. People need to get real in their assessment of our their expectations. With our budget anything around 50% win rate is excellent. To call for Agars head at this stage of the season is crazy, the ability is there in team, it just seems a few players have dropped out of form at the same time along with other carrying injuries. I'm sure Agar knows what needs to be done. Lets get this killer of a game over with this weekend and see how we go against Salford and London.

Fans do really over react, I think last year fans thought we was going to progress higher then 8th, in reality that will never happen unless we have a bigger investment into the team. I can't see that happening anytime before Newmarket.'"



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Losing RA now would achieve nothing.
He's doing his best with the players he has. How many times have we seen it before when a coach is sacked and replaced - more failure. Let RA get it right.
Unless of course we buy a whole new team of quality players and then I think I could coach them!

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Quote: deeHell "What a load of old rubbish. You don't have a 7 game winning streak in SL and put it down to luck. WE managed to beat Leeds and Saints in that period. Of course were in a rut at the moment it happens, Agar coached us to over a 50% win rate last season, that's the first time since 2009 we achieved that and only the 3rd time since we've been in SL. People need to get real in their assessment of our their expectations. With our budget anything around 50% win rate is excellent. To call for Agars head at this stage of the season is crazy, the ability is there in team, it just seems a few players have dropped out of form at the same time along with other carrying injuries. I'm sure Agar knows what needs to be done. Lets get this killer of a game over with this weekend and see how we go against Salford and London.

Fans do really over react, I think last year fans thought we was going to progress higher then 8th, in reality that will never happen unless we have a bigger investment into the team. I can't see that happening anytime before Newmarket.'"


Luck does play part though like injuries we only really got aitons and mellers which in my view ment lee smith and ellis played of who to me where bettet options in those postions anywsy(aiton is good player though but think ellis is better hooker).the thing bout agar is that he is payed to improve what hes got and he hasnt you only look at our defence to see he hasnt has its alwsys been bad.i didnt expect us to finish higher than 8th in fact would be happy to finish 9th but i truly believe the only thing that will stop us been bottom is london.

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