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Quote: TFC "Bradford. Have. A. Franchise. For. Life. Because. The. RFL. Own. Odsal.

In the simplest terms, to think otherwise would seem extremely naive.

From the Virtual Terrace

This is from a much more neutral and considered view than my own, I think it sums up quite a few key emotions of the Rugby League family. Albeit not as intense as my own.

No matter how you dress this up, the RFL have got your ass covered, and as no such treatment was exercised for various other clubs, it's quite clear that you ARE getting preferential treatment, I'm sorry mate but you can come at any angle you like on this subject but I doubt you will convert anyone who has their mind made up. Like many fans of Hull FC and Bradford have already said and even used as their own justification 'We are big clubs'. At least they are being honest, and probably, more to the point, they are correct.

If you want to continue to trying to convince yourself and us Wakey fans, that this is a harmless 'Business Venture' (A business venture which has seen the RFL spend a reported SEVEN figure sum, and the likelihood of them making meaningful, or any, profit seems slender to put it nicely) then like I said earlier you are deluded.'"


Well they also own other grounds, do the clubs that operate from those stadiums have a franchise for life? No they don't, if this was purely the case then they would. I'm not dressing anything up, it's there in black and white, as you have done so already, you'll make your own judgement up on it, more than to be likely clouded by anger, envy and sorrow though so it's understandable why people seem quite so bitter.

I don't need to convince myself of anything, I can see it for what it's for.

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Quote: newmarket cat "Just read on the offical SL website that Rugby League has bought Odsal to secure the future of the Bulls. I wonder what help we are going to get ???

It makes you laugh how we have been treated in the past by the RL'"


STAGGERING!!!! REALLY??!! I can barely believe it. I wish Bradford no ill whatsoevr; I don't subscribe to petty glee at other's misfortunes, but this cannot be the way for a fair sport to progress.

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Quote: Bulls4Champs "I don't need to convince myself of anything, I can see it for what it's for.'"


Good. Then you'll obvious see that the RFL have performed a rescue operation, and nothing more, secured against a very fragile asset. I have no problem with it, it's one that they had to perform in the short and medium-term interest of the sport. They've been somewhat disingenuous in the way they've tried to sell the deal to the fans of the sport, but to have a third Super League club crash within the space of a year would have serious implications for the credibility of the sport, certainly in terms of sponsorship and advertising revenues.

Bradford are still regarded as one of the top clubs in the competition (by outsiders, if no one else), even if they're living off the success they've enjoyed in the recent past. They have a large enough fan base to operate as a going concern, if they cut their cloth to suit their purse.

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Quote: Bulls4Champs "I see whats in front of me.

1. I see Bradford selling their assets to the RFL.
2. I see the RFL purchasing the lease to Odsal.
3. I see a negotiated business deals.

Now, what I think

I imagine Bradford will be happy because the get some funds together and I imagine the RFL will be happy in securing the lease to Odsal( A central location within the majority of the game and a site with possible potential to be developed).


Now, will you please tell me how or at least why you think that is preferential treatment and above whom?'"


1. I see the RFL buying the lease to Odsal to stop your club going to the wall and trying to dress it up as best they can so they don't appear to be doing anything underhand.
2. I see the RFL making up some nonsense about preserving historical grounds when what they actually want to do is to get everyone into modern stadia and they don't care 2 hoots about history.

I imagine Bradford are happy because they have secured the immediate future of their club.
I imagine the RFL are happy because they have avoided the negative publicity of one of their "big" clubs going t*ts up.
I imagine any fan of Rugby League in general that is not a Bulls fan sees this as what it is, which is a blatant act of support for one club when they have refused to help others.

As for your dreamworld of the RFL developing Odsal in the future, how long has this been in the pipeline and yet nobody has been able to afford to do it, but you think the "cash-rich" RFL will have the finances to do it. If you believe any of what you have put on here then you are as mad as the people in charge of our game.

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Quote: RebelRebel "Good. Then you'll obvious see that the RFL have performed a rescue operation, and nothing more, secured against a very fragile asset. I have no problem with it, it's one that they had to perform in the short and medium-term interest of the sport. They've been somewhat disingenuous in the way they've tried to sell the deal to the fans of the sport, but to have a third Super League club crash within the space of a year would have serious implications for the credibility of the sport, certainly in terms of sponsorship and advertising revenues.

Bradford are still regarded as one of the top clubs in the competition (by outsiders, if no one else), even if they're living off the success they've enjoyed in the recent past. They have a large enough fan base to operate as a going concern, if they cut their cloth to suit their purse.'"


This.

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If it means going under tough,no club as the god given right to be bailed out while others have struggled.I wouldn't loose any sleep if bulls fell by the wayside.R.F.L are a joke and corrupt.

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Quote: Big lads mate "If it means going under tough,no club as the god given right to be bailed out while others have struggled.I wouldn't loose any sleep if bulls fell by the wayside.R.F.L are a joke and corrupt.'"


I wouldn't lose sleep, only maybe for Wakey but I wouldn't want them to fold. Hardly good for the sport in general and wouldn't wish it on their fans after experiencing what we did last year. I wouldn't want any RFL charity we'd never here the bleeding last of it. Anyway if and when we get sorted off our own steam we will have much more cause for celebration

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After what we've been through,and still going through....ie....ground upgrade and NM decision,I find it hard not to be bitter over today's anouncement.

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Wouldn't want to lose any club tbh and I've always had plenty of time for the Bradford, they've got a good set of fans.
All I can think of is during all this, is if this was Wakefield that had been helped out in this exact same way, say for example when Ted was looking for help, i'd imagine a lot of those fans at Bradford and other clubs would suddenly very much have a problem with it.

Anyway I just want to get the season started and then get good news about Newmarket and it will all be gravy.

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Quote: Fordy "1. I see the RFL buying the lease to Odsal to stop your club going to the wall and trying to dress it up as best they can so they don't appear to be doing anything underhand.
2. I see the RFL making up some nonsense about preserving historical grounds when what they actually want to do is to get everyone into modern stadia and they don't care 2 hoots about history.

I imagine Bradford are happy because they have secured the immediate future of their club.
I imagine the RFL are happy because they have avoided the negative publicity of one of their "big" clubs going t*ts up.
I imagine any fan of Rugby League in general that is not a Bulls fan sees this as what it is, which is a blatant act of support for one club when they have refused to help others.

As for your dreamworld of the RFL developing Odsal in the future, how long has this been in the pipeline and yet nobody has been able to afford to do it, but you think the "cash-rich" RFL will have the finances to do it. If you believe any of what you have put on here then you are as mad as the people in charge of our game.'"


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Couldnt have put it any better, Bulls fans dont want to believe this is a rescue package, fair enough , but theres no doubt thats what it is.
Lewis and Woods dont give a toss about 'evocative grounds', theyve been shutting them down for years , and if I hear one more Bulls fan say Odsal is in a prime location I'll boil my head
PRIME LOCATION FOR WHAT EXACTLY ???? ITS NOT SYDNEY HARBOUR FOR GODS SAKE icon_frustrated.gif

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Quote: kingcobra "eusa_clap.gif It must be bad.....for the first time I actually agree with a Cas fan icon_rolleyes.gif

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Quote: Sandal Cat "It means that we will support clubs we want in Super League but clubs like Wakefield and Castleford can go down the pan.

It makes the next franchise round even more difficult and no Newmarket no SL.

I will only support Wakefield Trinity financially - I will not go to any games where Wakefield are not involved including Cup Finals, Grand Finals, Test/Tri Nation Games etc. - anything that involves the RFL.'"

DITTO!!!!

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Quote: TrinitarianWF2 "#boycottodsal

Let's get it trending.'"

In principle I agree. I practice, I think we had better be careful what we say and do whilst this adminstration rules and debases our once proud sport. I think we have to play a longer and craftier game and just support Trinity and nothing else in this game.

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Quote: Tricky2309 "Am I the only one confused. Have the RFL (1) bought Odsal or (2) merely took over the lease from the Bulls?

The first would be bad enough but at least understandable to ward off the alleged potential predators looking to buy the ground and would fit in with the comment of "no immediate plans to develop", as you wouldn't spend money developing a ground you didn't own (unless you had to like we are at present). The second does not make any sense, as I can't see how it protects the ground from predators anymore than the Bulls maintaining the lease themselves.

The RFL should make full disclosure on this deal to the chairman of all member clubs so they know fully what has gone on.'"


Any way you look at it, the RFL should not be getting directly involved in the playing facility provision and financial affairs of any club unless it is by clearly defined rules that apply to and are equal for all clubs. At the most, I would say this should be in the form of emergency loans to prevent clubs folding provided they agree to prescribed criteria for future financial conduct. This is a massive conflict of interest. How can you allow a club to slip out of the top league under any circumstances if your 'market value' rent is dependant on their success? The market value rent of odsal must be huge incidentally. If it's not, I would like to know how prime land in a big city isn't. I'm sorry Bulls fans, I wish you no ill at all. I'm a big believer in the RL family...or at least I used to be, but us scraping a last ditch SL place doesn't even begin to compare to the impact and implications of this. This will run and run.

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Quote: Maccbull_BigBullyBooaza "The RFL were dead quick to let you in Superleague in the first place because your ground didn't meet the basic criteria when you beat Featherstone. They've let you continue in Superleague including the first round of licensing despite you not having made the required improvements. They even let you stay in Superleague at the last licensing round despite still not having made the ground improvements and starting as a new entity all together.


The double standards and favouritism shown towards Wakefield by the RFL is a joke!'"

At the inception of SL we were amongst a number of clubs unfairly booted out because we would not merge. We won the right back where everyone should; on the pitch. Most of this bitching we are seeing here comes down to the sad day when who plays in what league was altered to being decided in board rooms. In my view it will be the slow death of our game. As one poster states, back in the 60's Wakefield and Bramley assistedBradford in their hour of need. Now we argue and see untransparent and potentially damaging decisions made regularly that pull the game apart. This is all gross mismanagement of a sport. Will the FA or FL be buying Fratton Park from Portsmouth, or would they buy it's lease and part administer the club if that was the scenario? You don't see this happening in fair and serious sports, any of it - today, SL franchising, the 1995 inception disgrace that affected us, the treatment of Keighley being denied promotion twice, yes even Halifax's treatment this year...and much, much more. It has been wrong from the start so today does not surprise me.

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