Just rewatched the Bibby try and I think you have to credit Wigan for the build up to it and question our fitness more than ever by allowing them to execute it.


Wigan ran pretty much 6 tackles down own right winning contact, getting a quick play the ball and leaving Trinity players on the deck. They actually did well to repel it on the left as Wigan had a roll on but the damn broke on the 4th tackle where we ran out of bodies leaving a massive hole behind the ruck which Wigan made a half break through. This basically meant all our left players had to shuffle across to make up for the huge gaps that were opening up. Again I think we did well to repel the mini break meaning Wigan had to kick.

When they kicked the first kick Lynn was actually in the full back position as Rocky was round the ruck due to the mini break. We throw numbers at the ball carrier who gets a low risk high reward offload away.

Hardaker kicks the ball and our widest player on the left is actually Milky not Lynn who is still covering 1 but he runs his all to chase across behind the line to try make a challenge on a lost cause which is a credit to him.

It was very clever build up play from Wigan taking advantage of a team out on their feet which resulted in that space and the necessity for the edge to be so far in field.

If we could have slowed the PTB down I don’t think we end up in the same position with most of the team stood on our right jammed in between the touch line and the goal post. If we don’t jam on though I think they break is through the middle.

The way we lose contact in that set shows the difference between a team on the front foot and a team with little to no energy left in the tank.

Exactly Jonh

It isn't usually a case of fitness. It's having to work harder than your opposition. Wigan managed the rucks better, got quicker play the balls and executed their last tackle plays. We didn't.
I didn't see players give up particularly, they just didn't have the energy left because of the work they'd already put in.
It's not like the players were coming off with clean shirts and having a laugh. It's simply a case of executing the plays when under pressure. Both in attack and defense.

Maybe someone should tell Chester this? He seemed to think there was an attitude problem with the players.

Not what Chester thought and me neither. You're entitled to your opinion but strange how it's always at odds with the obvious and usually wrong.

The wink means it's a bit of light-hearted joking by the way, just in case.

Sorry, don't buy that argument. Wigan just played RL, they are not a special team like Saints. They are no fitter than us, certainly not 30 minutes worth. It's mental, not physical.

If you're wanting to bull up Wigan as you usually do then I'd suggest that the 17 Wigan players are not, fitter, stronger or faster they are just better players as a group.

FWIW I'm probably frustrated because I gave Trinity the benefit over the last 18 month and believed we had a team of RL players, I'm now beginning to think I'm wrong. We simply do not have the quality I thought we had, or if we do it's being well hidden.

My lad who knows more than I and could play a bit, put it this way. At any one time, we only seem to have 4 players who are a threat. of which two are known (TJ and Fifita). Once the opposition works out the other two are its game over, as the rest won't step up and by step up, I don't mean running your blood to water, I could do that, any amateur player could do that!

No team ever plays with all 17 players on top form, to believe that you'd have to be stupid. However, we need more than 4 or even 6 if I'm being generous. That is what I believe CC meant by 'passengers'.

just about sums up the loser mentality of we win the odd game and it’s let’s give him a new deal. A mentality that always accepts 2nd best accepts mediocrity and accepts no ambition to build a side.

In the same vein as Scarlett owning the club, why not apply for the job of Head Coach as you both clearly know what's best. Just a thought.

I don’t think we can expect anything more with this squad.

I didn’t be for the season started and I don’t now.

We are lacking the quality of most other sides it’s that simple really.

I totally disagree, well I did until last Thursday. Still think you're wrong deep down but I have to admit it's very deep down.

Don't recall you saying that pre-season by the way but I'll give you the benefit.

I agree I think Wigan are a couple of player short of challenging Saints.

What was interesting on that set is that there utility player Shorrocks moved into 9 and controlled that entire set.

Very frustrating that a non specialist 9 can step in and take control of the ruck. I’ve not seen either of our 2 lads playing at 9 at the moment come anywhere close to taking control of the ruck.

That entire set though was very well worked and deliberate and yes that maybe is because they are better players but it won’t have helped either that extra defence and lack of possession Trinity had in the second half to deplete the energy levels.

Not sure if I said it on here or not however I think I did.

I’m surprised to see Salford look so poor, but I think they have some improvement in them.

I’m not sure Trinity do. I think KR probably do and Leigh are bringing in a fantastic 9 to help them but still shouldn’t be enough to save them fingers crossed.

Think there was a thread on what success looked like for Trinity this year.

My comment got panned but it remains the same as it did then. Finishing above 10th and a new stand underway.

We need something to build on and the only way we get that with this current squad is getting rid and replacing them with better players as their contracts wind down.

At the moment I’m more nervous than I thought I would be over our ability to beat the drop this year.

John you are not stupid it’s about identifying what we need or adapting and playing to our strengths. Let’s go back a few year we were playing quite well lost bill and Tj and we finished the season with rocky and Miller in the halves and finished mid table. We bring brough in as the final piece of the jigsaw and bring kopcheck and king in to build a big pack but play the same way and not to brough. We undermine jowitt, rocky plays fullback but because he’s talking about his contact we undermine rocky and bring Walker in. We sign tangata after one game, we sign senior when we refuse to let kershaw go we sign Kay, we sign green who Powell brought off after 8 minutes. Not to mention gigot who excites him. It’s a complete mess I know what’s needed and it wasn’t lino

That I agree with.

I'm a huge Crowther fan but he is not a No9 and I don't get why we are playing him there. Josh is not as good as Kyle but together they should be ok but in Kyles absence, Brad Walker looks a far better stand-in, or heaven forbid Harry Bowes, an actual hooker. I'm clearly not suggesting for the whole season but a few games.

This is not just a dig at CC it's a dig at a number of coaches, a lack of belief in younger players to step up. That said I've just had a pop at Mopsey for claiming to know more than the actual coaches so maybe I'll shut up

I could do the job with my eyes shut, thing is I’m my own man and not a yes man.