I give up!

Dont give up, im happy to be convinced otherwise, i just arent anywhere near being convinced that that is the case.
As far as i can see from what we owed, the fact that we didnt pay the tax man and we made a loss, we have nobody to blame, but our selves.

Oh the irony, you have no idea - you are a jonny come lately bandwagon jumper who since arriving on the forum has shown nothing but contempt for people who don't share your opinion on Ted - if there is a bully on this forum it's you.

It's you who has the obsession with Ted not me. The man ran the club for 17 years almost everything that is currently happening and has happened has something to do with him, it would be impossible not to - are you so thick you can't see that.

FFS grow up, it's nothing to do with being pro or anti Ted - it's to do with the truth, something that is an utter stranger to you.

Your child like attitude of allegiance is pathetic, you've turned this into a personality issue not me. My allegiance is to the club NOT Ted and NOT AG...CAN YOU UNDERSTAND THIS?

I don't share your desire to put a positive spin on everything as if that makes it right. I believe what I believe live with it.

So I set myself above others do I so what part of this statement did you not get "It doesn't give me special rights or make my opinions more or less valid"!!!!

I don't care what you think of my opinions, I don't care what you think of my perceived loyalty to Ted, I don't mind arguing with you I'm no saint I enjoy it - but to question my loyalty and commitment as a supporter of the club is way out of order and I draw the line there - and all because I'm not willing to embed myself as far up AG's bum as you!

So for the fourth time of asking what was a valid question, who told you?

No you're not, you just don't listen - which is the point I made in the first place.

I await further personal abuse and other assorted nonsense.

calm down guys take it easy.

It doesn't really matter who is convinced of what - it's all hypothetical now anyway. I'm not saying we wouldn't still have a mountain of problems - as we probably would, but being able to secure finance would have been much more likely if Pickles hadn't called in the plans.

Without Pickles we would probably have been able to raise finance to pay the tax-man, but many other issues would have remained. The truth is that up to that point we were spending more than we earned in an attempt - flawed as it turned out - to keep us afloat until NM came available. The main point about NM is the vastly improved ability for the club to do business and raise income - part of the club's strengths given the current commercial incomes from the facilities available - a point which was true of the old regime and has only got better this year.

Why are we going on about the past when all our efforts should be for the future, Get out knock doors and get people to join the Lottery, instead of being on here, looking to argue, about past events....

And for the second time of answering, i aren't going to betray a confidence to pacify the likes of you.

So basically I have to justify everything I say especially about the previous regime - but you don't have to betray confidences to the likes of me - interesting - says a lot about you.

Frankly I just think you make it up as you go along, you're just riding the wave for all it's worth.

Your view is simplistic, unrealistic and based on assumptions and gossip - because you were not there or anywhere near. TRB's word is not gospel but I'm 100% certain it's based on more first hand knowledge than yours.

Just listen, read between the lines and try to accept most things in life are not always what they seem at first.

What FACTS have you based your assumptions on, and why would i have to be there, and have first hand knowledge to assume that the banks would look upon us as a bad investment, based on our track record rather than on back of the whole banking climate having changed?

Time is the only thing that will tell. The signs are good going forward - and I generally live in the belief that things happen for a reason. We weren't meant to get Pickles decision and, if we don't get the decision in July then we weren't meant to - that doesn't mean I won't be mightily pee'd off though!

Hold on, you're the one claiming to know something not me so why do I need any facts - I'm asking you to justify your comment, in this case I have nothing to justify - what's unreasonable about that.