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Quote: financialtimes "Well his latest tweet put some to shame
"Andrew Glover ‏@AndrewGlover1 1h sometimes I wish fans would spend more time in the shop than starting rumours! It's tough out there, but we are battling through!"

People need to get behind the club'"

So with this can we put to bed the Administration rumours?

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Then he's not really talking to you is he.
Even then you are taking his tweet a bit too literally.

Lets see if the weekend brings the 2nd Mayan Apocalypse or just a home game v Widnes.

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Personally i think his tweet is right and wrong.
The supporters of this club have every right to speculate over its future, we've been doing it for decades and for very good reason.
If AG thinks the supporters right to ask questions is wrong he is arrogant or completely missing the point of what being a wakey fan is and has been for a number of years.
I agree more money needs to come into the club, i've been saying for ages that ST prices should be more realistic but sadly many supporters have got used to the discounted prices and to put them up too quickly the club would be at risk of being a victim of the discounted success and losing support it has worked hard to build up - a catch 22.
I like almost every wakey fan am very grateful to AG and also very grateful of the ammount of his own money and time he has put into the club, but do not think we will not question decisions we think are not in the best interest of the club or put the club in peril.
Supporters do not like to be taken for mugs and from time to time rumour turns out to be true...time will tell on this one, but god knows i hope there isn't any factual base to it and it is just speculation.
I hope AG realises we have as big an investment in this club as him and i hope he knows generally he has our support, i also hope he has a good handle on everything that is going on at the club and with his and our money.
Generations upon generations of family support and investment in this club means everything to a club like ours, tere would be no club without the supporters and there would be no club without AG.
May i suggest a new motto?
Together we are all in it balls deep - like it or like it not.

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Quote: kinleycat "Personally i think his tweet is right and wrong.
The supporters of this club have every right to speculate over its future, we've been doing it for decades and for very good reason.
If AG thinks the supporters right to ask questions is wrong he is arrogant or completely missing the point of what being a wakey fan is and has been for a number of years.
I agree more money needs to come into the club, i've been saying for ages that ST prices should be more realistic but sadly many supporters have got used to the discounted prices and to put them up too quickly the club would be at risk of being a victim of the discounted success and losing support it has worked hard to build up - a catch 22.
I like almost every wakey fan am very grateful to AG and also very grateful of the ammount of his own money and time he has put into the club, but do not think we will not question decisions we think are not in the best interest of the club or put the club in peril.
Supporters do not like to be taken for mugs and from time to time rumour turns out to be true...time will tell on this one, but god knows i hope there isn't any factual base to it and it is just speculation.
I hope AG realises we have as big an investment in this club as him and i hope he knows generally he has our support, i also hope he has a good handle on everything that is going on at the club and with his and our money.
Generations upon generations of family support and investment in this club means everything to a club like ours, tere would be no club without the supporters and there would be no club without AG.
May i suggest a new motto?
Together we are all in it balls deep - like it or like it not.'"


There is a right and wrong way to ask though so no I don't really agree with you and I don't see how voicing his opinion is in any way arrogant.

When speculation actually puts the clubs ability to trade at risk it's both morally and legally wrong.

Speculate in my opinion is just a posh word for gossip.

We must be the only fans who spend 90% of our time speculating on non playing issues and frankly it's making following Trinity a joyless task.

I'm not in the least bit dismissing the speculation by the way, no smoke and all that but I'm in no rush to fan the flames as this will not help.

Remember this you more than most pushed AG as a demi god and I warned you at the time - he is a one man band and he is WTRLFC and owns ALL the shares unlike Ted or previous Boards, As such he has no obligation whatsoever to let the fans know anything he doesn't want them to and if anyone is being arrogant on that issue it's you.

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Quote: vastman "There is a right and wrong way to ask though so no I don't really agree with you and I don't see how voicing his opinion is in any way arrogant.

When speculation actually puts the clubs ability to trade at risk it's both morally and legally wrong.

Speculate in my opinion is just a posh word for gossip.

We must be the only fans who spend 90% of our time speculating on non playing issues and frankly it's making following Trinity a joyless task.

I'm not in the least bit dismissing the speculation by the way, no smoke and all that but I'm in no rush to fan the flames as this will not help.

Remember this you more than most pushed AG as a demi god and I warned you at the time - he is a one man band and he is WTRLFC and owns ALL the shares unlike Ted or previous Boards, As such he has no obligation whatsoever to let the fans know anything he doesn't want them to and if anyone is being arrogant on that issue it's you.'"

I suggeste AG was arrogant for presuming wakey fans shouldn't ask questions/start rumours - that is arrogant or misunderstanding the psyche of the wakefield fan.
I never suggested AG was a demi god he was however the only serious guy looking at saving the club and therefore deserving of our support and rescuing the club from the catastrophic mess Ted got us into so again therfore deserving of our support. Weather or not he is continuing to take the club on Teds previous collision course is a serarate issue and can only be merged by someone patiently waiting to say "i told you so" in some vein attempt of whitewashing the past.
I agree with everything else by the way but this attempt at shoe horning your agenda on top of what is only (at the moment) speculation says pretty much everything about you.
Everybody knows a club like ours in a league like this needs eithe a very strong fan base or a Jonny Dollars at the helm - we have neither.
If there are things going wrong fans have a duty to ask questions, thats what we did under Ted (well you didn't) and thats what we will continue to do - its called consistency and wanting the greater good for the club.

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We do have one or two fans that, in there efforts to show how "in the know" they are, act a bit like Moodys or Standard and Poore and actually create crises.
Personally, until I win the Euro Lottery, I'll throw as much money as I can afford at the club and look as far forward as the next game. This ethos has served me well since the 60's.

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We need to be carefull that we don't cross the line between a supporters independent forum and the clubs second twitter outlet.

This board is for fans to ask questions good or bad, within reason.

Maybe if posters didn't jump on every word said on twitter/facebook and come running on here we'd all be better off.


Just a thought.

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The 140 character limit on twitter does not lend itself to making concise informative club statements, i wish they (AG and JE) would pack it in, it just does not help the club or the supporters the way they use it.
The club has a face book page and a website that more people can use than twitter anyway and is more useful, twitter is just a cock measuring contest for them and at times it backfires - badly.
Stick to keeping us informed by the standard methods and regular meetings with the supporters trust who also have a facebook page.
I know the ST have asked for a place on the board and it was refused but i really do think that it would be a good idea as at times the club do not seem to understand what its like being a fan and equally at times we do not appreciate what has to be done to keep the club viable and functioning.
Maybe then there would be less need to rely on pub gossip and rumour.

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Quote: El Rey "We need to be carefull that we don't cross the line between a supporters independent forum and the clubs second twitter outlet.

This board is for fans to ask questions good or bad, within reason.

Maybe if posters didn't jump on every word said on twitter/facebook and come running on here we'd all be better off.


Just a thought.'"

What i said yesterday is not half as bad at whats been posted on this thred, i got blasted for saying i have and could, no more will i post about what i hear regarding the club

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Quote: kinleycat "I suggeste AG was arrogant for presuming wakey fans shouldn't ask questions/start rumours - that is arrogant or misunderstanding the psyche of the wakefield fan.
I never suggested AG was a demi god he was however the only serious guy looking at saving the club and therefore deserving of our support and rescuing the club from the catastrophic mess Ted got us into so again therfore deserving of our support. Weather or not he is continuing to take the club on Teds previous collision course is a serarate issue and can only be merged by someone patiently waiting to say "i told you so" in some vein attempt of whitewashing the past.
I agree with everything else by the way but this attempt at shoe horning your agenda on top of what is only (at the moment) speculation says pretty much everything about you.
Everybody knows a club like ours in a league like this needs eithe a very strong fan base or a Jonny Dollars at the helm - we have neither.
If there are things going wrong fans have a duty to ask questions, thats what we did under Ted (well you didn't) and thats what we will continue to do - its called consistency and wanting the greater good for the club.'"


See this is where you fall down and this is where you are arrogant, and believe me when I say I do think you are 100% a committed if naive fan.

Of course I and others had plenty to say as we were well aware of the clubs pending demise well before it happened. But you tell me how airing the clubs dirty washing on here would have helped? For a start we would have lost even more players and staff had the vultures got wind of it earlier - ditto in this case (may well have started even if it's untrue). I also believe AG may not have got the deal he did had it been earlier whilst Parkin would have run a mile. The club retained it's integrity just long enough to limit the damage.

You need to accept that this is not a members club - it's not even a shareholders club it's a private business. In realistic terms the only genuine issue you can really raise is whether your season ticket will be honoured as you have paid in advance for that - all the rest is non of our business in strictly corporate terms. Because of the nature of RL I do believe it benefits a club to be more open with it's customers than other businesses but it's not obligatory. All the moral posturing in the world won't make AG tell you what he doesn't want or need you to know.

Sorry to burst your bubble but you wanted a new cutting edge business style corporate Trinity and that's what you've got - better the devil you know sometimes icon_sad.gif

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Quote: bazzo44 "What i said yesterday is not half as bad at whats been posted on this thred, i got blasted for saying i have and could, no more will i post about what i hear regarding the club'"


Are you a spin doctor, how you have twisted that to back up the stupid post you placed yesterday is beyond me - but hey credit for trying.

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Quote: vastman "See this is where you fall down and this is where you are arrogant, and believe me when I say I do think you are 100% a committed if naive fan.

Of course I and others had plenty to say as we were well aware of the clubs pending demise well before it happened. But you tell me how airing the clubs dirty washing on here would have helped? For a start we would have lost even more players and staff had the vultures got wind of it earlier - ditto in this case (may well have started even if it's untrue). I also believe AG may not have got the deal he did had it been earlier whilst Parkin would have run a mile. The club retained it's integrity just long enough to limit the damage.

You need to accept that this is not a members club - it's not even a shareholders club it's a private business. In realistic terms the only genuine issue you can really raise is whether your season ticket will be honoured as you have paid in advance for that - all the rest is non of our business in strictly corporate terms. Because of the nature of RL I do believe it benefits a club to be more open with it's customers than other businesses but it's not obligatory. All the moral posturing in the world won't make AG tell you what he doesn't want or need you to know.

Sorry to burst your bubble but you wanted a new cutting edge business style corporate Trinity and that's what you've got - better the devil you know sometimes
Total tosh "better the devil you know" the club was a dieing & lieing embarrasment and on a one way ticket out of SL and possibly out of existance before the trigger was pulled and well you know.
Fate may well have saved us in the guise of Crusaders troubles and you only have to look at what has happened around Sl to relaise we are not alone in any financial problems.
As supporters we have a voice, otherwise what point the ST and the various supporters groups we had in the past (some of which you were involved in (I think??)) are they/were they pointless??
We all have views and if we can get the club to buy in thats good, of course its a privately owned consern but supporters are allowed to have an opinion.
If we are ignored we drift away, thats what happened before and that hastens the owner and the clubs demise, surely an active support is a good thing for any sensible owner.

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Quote: vastman "See this is where you fall down and this is where you are arrogant, and believe me when I say I do think you are 100% a committed if naive fan.

Of course I and others had plenty to say as we were well aware of the clubs pending demise well before it happened. But you tell me how airing the clubs dirty washing on here would have helped? For a start we would have lost even more players and staff had the vultures got wind of it earlier - ditto in this case (may well have started even if it's untrue). I also believe AG may not have got the deal he did had it been earlier whilst Parkin would have run a mile. The club retained it's integrity just long enough to limit the damage.

You need to accept that this is not a members club - it's not even a shareholders club it's a private business. In realistic terms the only genuine issue you can really raise is whether your season ticket will be honoured as you have paid in advance for that - all the rest is non of our business in strictly corporate terms. Because of the nature of RL I do believe it benefits a club to be more open with it's customers than other businesses but it's not obligatory. All the moral posturing in the world won't make AG tell you what he doesn't want or need you to know.

Sorry to burst your bubble but you wanted a new cutting edge business style corporate Trinity and that's what you've got - better the devil you know sometimes They better find a new company strap line then. Maybe 'Together When It Suits Us'.

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Quote: vastman "Are you a spin doctor, how you have twisted that to back up the stupid post you placed yesterday is beyond me - but hey credit for trying.'"

Read the posts on here, all of them and see if am wrong, twisted it back, god the stuff thats been said on this thred and is still open, make your own mind up, and you will

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Quote: kinleycat "Total tosh "better the devil you know" the club was a dieing & lieing embarrasment and on a one way ticket out of SL and possibly out of existance before the trigger was pulled and well you know.
[iFate may well have saved us in th of Crusaders troubles [/iand you only have to look at what has happened around Sl to relaise we are not alone in any financial problems.
As supporters we have a voice, otherwise what point the ST and the various supporters groups we had in the past (some of which you were involved in (I think??)) are they/were they pointless??
We all have views and if we can get the club to buy in thats good, of course its a privately owned consern but supporters are allowed to have an opinion.
If we are ignored we drift away, thats what happened before and that hastens the owner and the clubs demise, surely an active support is a good thing for any sensible owner.'"


And unfortunately that's the problem with open speech, if you cast your mind back to Franchise day two years since it was readily accepted that if Crusaders went pop we were the team for the drop, we were in the mire but at the time there was Cas, London etc all in the very same boat, unfortunately due to Facebook, Twitter etc the talk was all Wakefield, conjecture turned into fact and it was a given that the team to drop would be us!
The same could be said about spurious claims (or not!) of financial demise, once social media, Sky sports buffoons, Nosey Parker and Danny Lockwood get there claws into a rumour there's only negative publicity coming next!

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Manly
     Mens Super League XXVIII-R27
15:00
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Catalans
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18:00
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Dewsbury
18:00
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Toulouse
19:30
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Barrow
 Sun 22nd Sep
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15:00
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Swinton
15:00
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Swinton
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Doncaster
       League One 2024-R24
15:00
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15:00
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Rochdale
 Sat 28th Sep
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Toulouse
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Batley
 Sun 29th Sep
       Championship 2024-R28
15:00
Barrow
v
Widnes
15:00
Bradford
v
Swinton
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Thu 19th Sep
SL
20:00
Huddersfield-Castleford
SL
20:00
Wigan-Salford
Fri 20th Sep
SL
20:00
Hull KR-Leeds
SL
20:00
Leigh-St.Helens
SL
20:00
Warrington-LondonB
Sat 21st Sep
SL
15:00
Hull FC-Catalans
Sun 27th Oct
MINT2024
14:30
England M-Samoa M
Sat 2nd Nov
MINT2024
14:30
England M-Samoa M
Sun 15th Sep
WSL2024 14 FeatherstoneW6-32York V
WSL2024 14 Hudds W36-0Wire W
CH 26 Barrow34-14Whitehaven
CH 26 Bradford16-14Batley
CH 26 Dewsbury16-28Swinton
CH 26 Doncaster30-14Widnes
CH 26 Featherstone6-20Sheffield
CH 26 Wakefield20-4York
NRL 28 Canterbury22-24Manly
L1 23 Midlands24-22Workington
L1 23 Rochdale30-18Hunslet
Sat 14th Sep
SL 26 Hull FC4-58Salford
SL 26 Catalans12-8LondonB
SL 26 Huddersfield0-66Warrington
CH 26 Toulouse38-18Halifax
NRL 28 Melbourne37-10Cronulla
NRL 28 NQL Cowboys28-16Newcastle
Fri 13th Sep
SL 26 Leigh0-24Hull KR
SL 26 St.Helens40-4Castleford
SL 26 Wigan38-0Leeds
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Mens Betfred Super League XXVIII ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wigan 26 657 336 321 42
Hull KR 26 693 311 382 40
Warrington 26 684 319 365 38
Salford 26 550 483 67 32
St.Helens 26 584 370 214 30
Leigh 26 548 386 162 29
 
Leeds 26 514 462 52 28
Catalans 26 451 423 28 28
Huddersfield 26 434 648 -214 18
Castleford 26 415 701 -286 15
LondonB 26 317 862 -545 6
Hull FC 26 324 870 -546 6
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Betfred Championship 2024 ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wakefield 24 892 256 636 46
Bradford 24 618 373 245 32
Toulouse 23 662 340 322 31
Sheffield 24 594 472 122 28
Widnes 24 513 433 80 27
York 25 613 439 174 26
 
Featherstone 24 566 472 94 26
Doncaster 24 470 527 -57 23
Batley 24 378 513 -135 20
Halifax 24 475 617 -142 20
Barrow 23 418 648 -230 19
Swinton 24 446 606 -160 18
Whitehaven 24 414 806 -392 16
Dewsbury 25 308 821 -513 2
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