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I understand KR are not risking the flight incurred due to his previous leg injuries
when Blake Green was at the club he made a flight after a leg injury and had problems with DVT

I think Chester has summed the game up last night to a tee. No issues with the ref we looked flat and the sin bins killed us. The only issue I had was the inconsistency of the merry flag waver in the first half he missed some calls for Wakefield and couldnt wait to get on when we did anything. Cobb was Ok for me.

Cobb should trust his own eyes more. Twice he went with the TJ who was much, much further away from the action than he was.

Games usually have momentum-shifts. At no point did it shift to Wakefield. Salford were dominant all the way through.

To an extent, it was typical Wakefield. We get a wave cresting, and we don't just lose a nip and tuck but get completely whacked. Also, historically, we'd often pull off a surprise victory against a big side but then lose against the teams we need to beat. Last night was crucial. Salford are a good side and will climb out of the bottom 4, even with the deduction. Two points behind a failing Widnes and with better points difference. Last night would have pretty much got us in the Super 8's.

The whole focus has to be on Thursday. We have a poor points difference. Win that, and we need only worry about Widnes.

A tired performance maybe physicaly and emotionally drained from last Sunday's effort, a good weeks prep for HKR now.

Watched the highlights as at work last night and the tackles it shows Salford deserved that win if we are honest, yes we have fallen off the horse we just need to get back on it straight away as we did after the Hull defeat. Is Kirmo playing the oval ball game with the kids on the local green that's twice in a short space of time he has spent 10 in the bin for a trip. As other have pointed out did that comeback against Catalan take some gas out of the tank... Would have been great if we could have got the win and put pressure on Saints but we are still in 6 spot and having a cracking season after what we as fans had to endure last season

Cracking season or not, the only focus has to be on avoiding the middle 8's, because there are some damn good sides in there. Let's face it, when all the points are scrubbed, if the teams remained as they are, it's likely that the team that isn't Leeds, Hudds and Salford is in the million pound game. As bad as Leeds are this year, it's a clean slate and almost a cup competition.

I said all this in my Chester's challenge thread and was roundly shouted down - no good being radical now the horse has bolted.

I know it's not easy dropping players from a winning team but I thought we were obviously fatigued by the end of the Catalan game. I'm not saying this in hindsight seeing as I predictaed it but for me Thursday was an excuse to be radical and Chester wasn't and for me should have been.

He's done beyond brilliant since he arrived so not a criticism but sometimes you need to think outside the box as they say. Plenty of chances to pull it round but as I said on the Phil Clark thread, he had a fair point and though I hope it's better than one more game it's time to batton down the hatches and support the lads through what may be a difficult month or two.

You've replied to a topic re. Discipline, yet didn't you shout someone down for pointing out we are the most penalised team in SL? If it was that obvious we were fatigued after the Catalan game then why didn't Chester see this? Surely you are criticising him but just not literally? Maybe we lost because we just didn't play very well, which in all honesty we haven't been doing for a few games now, the last few wins were all about sheer guts, determination and a bloody mindedness which we haven't seen for years. We are not playing any more games than anyone else, players were rested for the Tolouse game let's not forget, most of them forwards, England had a week off with his ban, so I don't think it's fatigue, we're just not playing great in many departments, and a few individuals are coming up with shortcuts and laziness, poor decision making etc. I don't think we've actually played well since the excellent demolition of Wigan.

Didn't observe any laziness against Catalans.Mistakes-yes ie Simon's strip.I think for us it was like a cup final and the players suffered the after effects.Hopefully Thursday win or lose we will see a good performance.Interesting that after one loss the criticism from the 'experts' is creeping in . Lose another couple and it will probably be Chester out.

I know Scott Moore has his own discipline issues and wrongly banned for the non-offence in the Widnes game; but we miss this guy big time. Someone that scoots from dummy half and attacks the line before releasing is the catalyst of a good performance. I know Sio hasn't done a bad job but is very one dimensional, and Howarth rarely attacks the line. If we can grab maybe one more win before Moore returns then I think we have done a very good job. The performances will always pick up when we have a good quality on form hooker involved.

I couldn't agree more about Moore He made such a difference to the team when he came back after injury, like you say he has more about him than the other two, but Sio has done pretty well to be fair to him. But of course we have won without him obviously, so no reason why we can't do so again, we just need to sharpen up in a few areas.

Have not shouted anyone down, I agree with most of what's posted on this thread but it's just a bit late to do anything about it for the Salford game or do you have a time machine - you still don't seem to like anyone having a different view from yourself - I'm like that but at least I know it.

He did see we were fatigued, he said it in as many words in his after match interview at the Magic weekend.

The rest of what you put makes sense

Absolutely agree, he's the missing link. With him we look class, without him we are battlers - whether this ban is fair or not he's a lose cannon and always will be which is a real shame - if he could hold down the demon inside him he'd be one of the best in SL.