Our ball retention was awful today dropped ball after dropped ball I cannot even recall completing a set of six. Give the ball to a class outfit and you reap what you sow and we did ripped to shreds after25 minutes. I thought Wigan looked average at the start we were opening there defence for fun but as usual our lack of composure let us down. Highlights were the two full back tackles by Mathers and Tomkins (he is world class) on the wingers worth the entry fee alone.

Amor was ripping us apart up the middle in his first stint, no idea why Agar took him off.

CM punk - thats what I thought he did a real good stint.

MOTM today by a distance.

Wigan are a different class, no doubt about it BUT we had them rattled for a spell in the first half and who knows what would had happened if we had taken our chances - I refer mainly to the break made by Lee Smith in the first half which should have resulted in a try. Until we take these chances we will always be in a catch-up situation. Within a minute of that effort Wigan went to the other end and scored. Game over.
I don't doubt the effort of the players we simply weren't good enough today BUT again the defence was not SL standard.
With top teams you have to get in their faces and not stand waiting for them to run at you getting momentum. No wander within 2 tackles they were at the half way - we let them have space!
Wigan worthy winners but we're not moving upwards with a defensive display like that.
Oh and to some of the jokers heckling Tim Smith-get off his back he was the only one trying to organise any sort of move!

I have to say Wakey could have made it a tough afternoon if they had taken their early chances. The failure to score off the Smith break changed the whole momentum of the game. We should have been 8 down but instead within minutes we were 6-4 up.

Wigan played right early doors and wore you down at which point we opened up later on. Tomkins and Hock were sublime but I think the forwards especially Hansen Mossop and Lauaki softened you up in the first half ensuring that we could take advantage later. Finch simply ran the show off that platform. Amor was excellent again I thought from a Trinity point of view.

I have to say Wakey could have made it a tough afternoon if they had taken their early chances. The failure to score off the Smith break changed the whole momentum of the game. We should have been 8 down but instead within minutes we were 6-4 up.

Wigan played tight early doors and wore you down at which point we opened up later on. Tomkins and Hock were sublime but I think the forwards especially Hansen Mossop and Lauaki softened you up in the first half ensuring that we could take advantage later. Finch simply ran the show off that platform. Amor was excellent again I thought from a Trinity point of view.

Usual second half display from us only side we have out done this season was Hull every one else we have been shocking.

Thought you weren't as bad as you're making out to be, just met a very clinical Wigan side. You have a good base to work from, with the likes of Lauititi, Smith, Amor, Fox etc and if you sort the defence frailties at times, could easily be a top 8 side.

Cheers for the comments about us too, we were just too strong for 3/4 of the game.

Sorry but IMHO you could not be more wrong.

I never wanted Agar, always wanted Kear to stay.

However Agar does not send them out to play badly or lazy - poor players do that all for themselves.

Problem with sacking Agar now (who I agree won't win us anything) sends out all the wrong messages and makes life hard for the next coach.

Once players especially poor ones get it in theirs heads that when they can't or won't do as the coach asks, then basically by playing crap they can get a new coach who may give them an easier ride. If he doesn't then pull the same trick again and again.

Like him or not Agar must get a second season - even if all that achieves is to shift some dead wood and restore some continuity.

Get rid of Agar now and we are inviting anarchy into the dressing room - the time to sack Agar will be at the end of next season unless he confounds us all and does well.

Truth is there are not dozens of quality coaches waiting to coach us - so any belief that a new broom will turn this shambles around quickly is wishful thinking.

Last time we started sacking coaches it went Roe - Mc Nally - Smith. Apart from a freak Solomona/Domic inspired season the club deteriorated dramatically.

Let Agar do the graft for now until NM and pray we play well enough often enough to keep folk turning up - it's a gamble but a better one than hiring one second rate coach after another only for players to pick and chose who stays. The club is bigger than anyone or should be.

Agar should stay and sort out the mess. It's not Agar who drops the ball, makes dumb decisions, puts out rubbish passes, tries to tackle the likes of Hock and Lauaki around the shoulders, flies out of the line and misses the ball carrier completely, fails to smother the ball in tackles, misses tackles etc etc etc. He does need to start dropping some players and making them accountable for what they do on the pitch and he also needs to sort out our speed and fitness - a lot of our poor defence/tackling is down to being too slow and a yard away from where we should be - but keep him and make him earn his money. If he fails, get rid at the end of his contract but not now.

Good points there vasty,

Our only real hope will be some good quality signings in the close season. I just hope when we do recruit we are a liitle more shrewd than last season. I feel we jumped in with some rash signings and stupid long term contracts and that has limited our options to try and improve our squad.

Agreed. I just think Mr Elston got carried away a little. They handed out the 3 year contracts early on as they wanted the stability in place. The 2 things they got wrong were doing this before they got the coach in place who would have to work with the said players and then maybe not getting the right coach?
I am not giving up on RA just yet mind. I think he has to be given a full pre season with a squad of his choosing.

Elston didn't have a lot of chioce.
We were in a position of having to make signings without haveing a coach on board, which is far from ideal.
the really disappointing aspect at the moment is the number of totally unforced errors that we are making.
Passes into touch (ie not finding the winger/ centre, kicking out on the full and forcing the play when we get near the opponents line.
Ultimately we have too many average players and we need a little bit of class.