What happened to old fashioned line speed and tackling around the legs? we don't seem to be moving up and putting the pressure on quick enough. I dare say Sam Tomkins watched our game yesterday and I bet he's asked the Wigan kit man for a dinner suit to play in next week.

Some ridiculous over reactions on here, especially the one about players not been paid. How many time do we after here that rubbish when were in bad patch? Look at the bigger picture, over the last season and a half Agar has had a 44% win rate by my calculations. What more do you expect with our budget, were just in one of them bad runs I'm pretty sure we'll pull it around even though we won't make the 8. Fans should have more realistic targets.

Is it unrealistic to expect a team to do the basics correctly and play with some heart and aggression?

I would have though that Chase could lend him his, I know he’s a talent but he had so much time yesterday – perhaps the threat he posed was discussed as we were planning our defensive structures .

Oh well, at least we can look forwards to Sykes the messiah returning to steady the ship .

You're absolutely right - defence is largely about attitude and ticker; all the defensive drills in the world won't make a player win the collision, stick in the tackle or bend his back to complete the defensive win; that's about having the bottle and being d, something that is sadly lacking at the moment. We are shirt-grabbing, dropping off tackles and standing around watching other players wrestle with a bloke instead of pounding him into the turf and turtling him.

For me, this is about individuals not doing their jobs.

Spot on. Dean Collis' effort to stop Carney when he broke inside from his own half reminded me of me in U11s rugby. Looked to go low and basically bottled it but made it looks somewhat like he made an attempt to tackle. The effort that Fox made for the try where he just backed off until Carney was already over the line was a joke. That to me is just spineless. If you can't put your body on the line, don't aspire to be a professional rugby player. Which is why I play football a lot better!

Many times. And many times it has been true. There is no smoke without fire and i've mentioned on more than one occaision things are a little 'tight' at the club to say the least. Part of the problem was the sponsor going belly up but part is the fact that we don't have the business knowledge running the club day to day. In my opinion Mr Glover puts his trust in people who are commited and hard working but lack experience and ability and it shows. I said when he left Cas that we should get Steve Ferres on board and my opinion hasn't changed. A Mr fixit is required otherwise it could be like a little piece of history repeating.

Salford showing what a good coach can get out of average players. Patience and sets of 6...might not get the pulse racing but by God I wish we could do it!

WE can,we have done so why are we not doing it,MOTIVATION!

Agar going no where, cost a bob or two to get shut, so we have to put up with him

You sound like you know a bit more about what goes on behind the scenes, but unless performances improve, the club have to assess what impact this will have on season ticket sales for next year. Nick Fozzard has been brought in to bring more revenue to the club, he is going to have a difficult time to attract new sponsors to a club that lets people down on a regular basis. Isn't this what James Elston should be doing? Successful clubs attract investment. This is probably why we are a selling club, as it's easier to sell a player than sack a coach.

I fear you are right. From the word go, a^$£ and elbow sprang to mind. Well meant and hard working but did not seem like they knew what they were doing. Lots of little things like the bottle bar obstructing the East Stand walkway. Then a big thing with the tax. I just have an uncomfortable feeling we will be back revisiting our old nightmare again..hope I'm wrong

10% below where we should have been with the players we have had in my opinion. And never mind the percentages, look at the play...generally abysmal and disorganised with a few good perfomances out of 40+ matches. If Agar had more money, I'm not sure we would ever do as well as we ought. I wouldn't give him my money to spend

Just shows how ignorant of reality you clearly are