Oh, I know that the second press release seemed to highlight more but I suspect the first depiction was a rough block rather than being anywhere near accuracy.

As for yesterday, I just think the more it filled up the more people were going to move out and fill the stand.

I really don't care what Wakey said and what RW said and how many different versions of any maps got shown, there is no excuse for the scenes on friday and if people want to blame anyone then blame those drunken morons.

Point scoring and pointing finger, you lot need to grow some nads and behave like men and not little kiddies.

Pathetic.

If we persist with the formula then I suggest we need to order a good quality of Polycarbonate. The only other logical suggestion (desirable to away supporters) is the West Stand. This would mean keeping Cas/Hull fans behind for 10 minutes so fans don't cross paths outside the ground.

Not sure why you are making excuses for the mindless idiots who could not control themselves and behave in an appropriate manner. Everybody was aware of the various media campaigns but only a small number resorted to such behaviour. It's typical of the world we live in 'it wasn't my fault it was those nasty folk at Wakefield who said I couldn't stand where I wanted to' 'They started chanting this or that so I threw a bottle' 'They threw a bottle so I started throwing punches'. Nobody is man enough to accept their own actions there's always someone else to blame for their behaviour and you are just as bad if you consider it anyone elses fault than those who chose, yes chose it was their decision, to take part in the incidents.

I was stood in the north stand but not under the roof, i heard and have read that both clubs are to blame. but its not the first time its happened is it? Widnes away right at the back are fans kicking seats out, out of their head on booze! bradford game there was minor incidents. hullfc are own fans fighting with eachother, it seems the same people are destroying the team i love! and i do hate chavs but blaming them for everything isn't the answer iv witness grown men fighting. all i can say is lets try and move on and report what we know, over and out.

You're an idiot.

You're yet to play Hull FC @ pal. Interesting where you put them when you do though.

I Know this season away there was trouble in are own area, and i remember a couple of seasons ago there was bad crowd scenes. with there massive following it could be a disaster!

For me this is an issue about alcohol and adults : I'm 33 and me and my pensioner dad stood right at the front of the stand next to the female blonde ( heavily made up ) steward, centre sticks. We both saw the posters mid week about "the city is ours", thought it was quite good marketing but didn't turn into salivating, anti Cas bigots. We walked past two hoodied Cas 13 year olds who were describing Belle Vue as "this sh*t hole" but felt no need to wade in with fists. We stood two feet away from a Wakey fan who could hardly stand such was his inebriated state but didn't feel a need to join in with his "sh*g your mum" chant. We wanted to 'go north' to create an atmosphere and in our own small way, we did by applauding our ( rare) moments of skill on the pitch - being north didn't make us feel like charging the Cas fans immediately to our left or stubbing out a ciggy on their arm. When a Cas lady dropped her programme and purse, juggling two coffees and her sons rugby ball I picked them up and gave them to her rather than "raz her" and throw them onto the pitch.

Neither of us are members of the clergy, nobel peace prize winners or particularly "good people".

But like 9000 or so others in the ground, we're capable of watching a team we passionately care about without becoming involved in a riot. And we didn't even drink cos we didn't want to lose our spot - there must have been many thousands, possibly plastered who still didn't wage war or attack other human beings cos frankly they aren't ars*holes.

Its not the fault of "lets go north" or "the city is ours" - if you can't read that without wanting to punch somebody, you should be in an institution. Its not Wakey's fault for 'semi segregating' - many thousands stood within arms length of an opposing fan and DIDN'T get in a fight because they're rationale human beings. Its not Cas fans fault for standing in an area they're perfectly entitled to to use. Its not the stewards fault who I thought did a fantastic job and their level best not to be draconian until it was absolutely necessary.

Its your fault if you'd rather go to a game and sing at opposing fans rather than your own players. Its your fault if you chant "we'll stand where we want" with your arms out wide looking to provoke a fight. Its your fault if when wakey score a try your first response is to turn to cas fans and make w*nker and V-signs rather than cheer your own players. Its your fault if you pay £20 to get in to a game and then want to drink so much you can't remember where you are - why not stay at home do the same and save 20 ?

I'd throw out anyone who seems too plastered, bar anyone who arrives drunk and turf out the first who start shouting abuse or make even the slightest "come on then" aggressive gesture. But if this is deemed too unfeasible I'd agree with many on here who would move the kick off time to earlier or simply not serve the booze. Any loss of revenue will probably be offset by the loss of many who now won't return to Belle vue based on that night.

I'm sure to be shot down for sounding 'holier than thou' but still maintain that the vast majority on here and in the stadium are 'adult' enough to attend a game, have a drink, stand where they'd like and still not punch another individual in a different coloured shirt. For the minority who aren't capable, lets spend our efforts driving them permanently from our beloved sport, rather than waste our time petty point scoring over CEO's, advertising campaigns, "they threw . . . they said . . . . ", blaming each other, stewards or segregation.

The minority of idiots should not be allowed to win or force concessions or changes that will affect the majority of passionate fans on either side of the divide.

Rant over.

I doubt it, mate. I think you make a lot of very good points. Great post.

Well said mate - I couldn't agree more.

But that is assuming that all the home fans who have stood on the western terrace for years fall in with the "Go North" mantra,it's not just the away supporters you have to convince,it's a fair proportion of the home ones too.