That's because none of them were good enough, as shown by their subsequent careers. If you are good enough you will make it, so that argument carries no water with me. Are you seriously suggesting any of those players were ever in Makinsons class? That 2009 team was a great team but it wasn't full of great players, there is a difference.

As pointed out of academy doesnt make any difference to the criteria then it really shows how little img know, yes its good for the likes of salford whos reserve and academy set up is no different or better than batley boys no disrespect to batley boys,but instead theyvcan sign brodie croft,so where is that going to help the game,more and more lads are packing the the game due to lack of financial gain at such a young age once clubs see theres no need to spend all this money on academys then more will pack in so in 10 years time we may have fancy screens but no quality of players to play

If it carries no water with you you must be right I was quoting an observation from me and I can guarantee my knowledge of rugby league as a a player and coach is different class to you boyo going back to makinson a great player who looked useful but not spectacular at the time I am talking about don't you as an expert think that players at saints and wigan to namea couple get worked on in their development or doesn't that cut water with you professer

Yeah of course you can, you being that famous coach, Bob Anonymous. We can all say tosh like that, that's what makes me laugh about people like you, Mopsey and Avenger. You hint you are something special in the game but you never say who you are. If you were that brave and credible you wouldn't need to hide behind a user name. You lot must think the rest of us incredibly gullible.

By the way, I'm Wally Lewis, prove me wrong.

Why have you brought me into this,
Can you justify your statement by quoting a post from me where I’m hinting at being “something special”!

Some one showed me you once your a fat lad probably a soft one toowallys put a bit of weight on but he's not fat we've all got user names otherwise you'd look a right prat

Because you like the others mentioned talk about poor signings and this and that as if you somehow you always knew better. You didn't, you just have the benefit of hindsight. Anybody can be a Coach Hindsight, easiest job in the world. People like Mash and MC make decisions based on what they know at the time. Atoni looked a decent shout, may still be, but you are calling the club out based on what you think you know now, not what they knew then.

All players are a risk and I mean all, injuries are a killer and impossible to predict, but somehow you chose to ignore all that. It must be so frustrating to be so much more gifted than Mash and Ford yet not be a SL coach yourself.

We are not playing well, we are struggling for various reasons at present, but sporting fortunes can change overnight on the bounce of a ball. There is simply no need for the recriminations currently going on. We knew we were short of money this season, we knew we had an inexperienced coach and a thin squad, nobody hid that and most of us accept the reasons why. Do people who endlessly complain and snipe not think that those of us who stay positive don't feel the pain? Do you think we can't see that Atoni is yet to shine, we can I can assure you and it's frustrating as hell, but moaning doesn't help.

It's not just you and in a way I understand peoples despair, but when I see how hard people at the club are working it angers me when they get such unfair criticism.

Finally as regards your comments about MC, if it's any consolation on the few occasions I've met him I can't say we've bonded in a way I have with JM, different chemistry I suppose. We have not become best mates but that doesn't mean I can't respect him. As far as I'm concerned he saved the club and if he ruffles a few feathers I can live with it, I'm really not that precious.

You can either look up or look down, I chose up

Seriously, I think that's the most immature response I've ever read on here and that takes some doing.

You’ve got no idea what I know or don’t know, you have no idea what experience I have or don’t have!

I may be a know nothing who’s never really played the game beyond a couple of school games alongside Johnny Thompson and stood on the same lump of concrete in the North Stand for 35 years believing that doing so has allowed me to accumulate an in depth understanding of the game and the people who watch it!

On the other hand I might be John Kear or Brian Noble or Mail Reilly, the point is you’re making some very sweeping assumptions and condemnations based on no knowledge of me whatsoever.

I know you like to rub up against the ankles of the giants who run our club, like a mangey stray cat hoping for a bit of love but there’s really no need to get so defensive of them when people make their ignorant and poorly informed, or not, observations.

The modern world and the wonders of the World Wide Web allow us all to have one great big conversation just as the local pub provided a table and chairs for a small group of fans to chew the fat about everything including Trinity. I suppose the main difference is you wouldn’t have had the nuts nor the temerity to call out those guys sat with their pints in their local complaining about how their club was run!
No, you’d have faced toward the bar, put your head down and kept quiet for fear that one of them might be Try Scorer and he’d give you a thick ear for your cheek (anatomically not possible I know).

Anyhow, don’t take it so personal, it’s just fans talking about the club and when that stops we’ll really be in trouble

Correct though cocker can't say the truth any differently

I'm at work. Will look at this later.
Really not needed.