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Quote: altofts wildcat "Carter and Minnards have run the club into the ground. They bemoan not having any money yet we are paying Gaskell and Lineham circa £200k per year between them.

Applegarth is out of his depth, it's not his fault and I don't blame him, I blame the people who appointed someone who isn't up to the job because he was a cheap yes man.

Carter and Minnards need to get out of the club, we were better off under Ted, at least he tried where as this lot just blame everyone and everything but themselves.'"


I'm sure if you think about what you have said, you'll regret some of it! MC and JM have NOT run the club into the ground, the club wouldn't be there if it wasn't for them. Unfortunately they are both accountants and won't spend what we haven't got. That is reflected in the present quality of players!
We need that benefactor now.
As for Ted - NO! he had his own interests at heart and ultimately 'sod the club!'

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Quote: Eastern Wildcat "Well, just for the record, I have re shared the statement of Carter stepping down, on LinkedIn, adding in hashtags to link it back to the sport and our club.

Nothing may come of it, but if you don't try, you won't get anywhere'"


Yes I saw that - will keep my eye on it see how it goes down.

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Quote: 1315trinity "MC and JM have NOT run the club into the ground, the club wouldn't be there if it wasn't for them '"


They have been responsible for us being the only club to make a profit. They have been responsible for all the improvements at Belle View. I'm thankful for their involvement at the club, the rugby is dire at the moment but I appreciate what they have done.

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I don't think Mark applegarth is out of is depth as a coach i think it's a bit more simpler than that the players are out of there depth just not good enough, it's not there fault it is what it is and now time as finally caught up with us as a club, I agree we should be putting ourselves out there more in the public eye for investment or for someone to buy the club but i fear now it's too late and the championship beckons for us now and like some have said just when we have finally got the ground getting sorted the on-field hasn't.

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Must admit i was hoping i’d have calmed down today after last nights ‘efforts’. I haven’t and to be honest listening to Applegarths post match comments praising the players efforts and claiming it will all turn round wound me up even more. If he actually means that and he isn’t just saying it for the camera then i’m afraid he is deluding himself. Some players were trying more than others out there last night. And yes we have players missing but how many of those waiting to return would be in any other teams starting 13? Maybe Tanginoa but thats it. I like Max but whose first choice would he replace elsewhere? Mash spent what money we did have poorly in the winter. His decision to pick Forber over Bowes is a shocker. Why move Kay from fullback when he was going ok to throw in a young lad who had a stinker? Hewitt had been shocking sin binned for an obvious crusher last night, poor defensive effort costing us a try against Salford. I doubt Windrow would have done any worse. I didn’t agree with setting in Applegarth at the time and i still don’t think it’s the right call. But he’s got the job and I’m willing to keep the faith for a bit longer. But this next month is make or break and lose to Cas & Leigh and it’s curtains.

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Quote: altofts wildcat "Carter and Minnards have run the club into the ground. They bemoan not having any money yet we are paying Gaskell and Lineham circa £200k per year between them.

Applegarth is out of his depth, it's not his fault and I don't blame him, I blame the people who appointed someone who isn't up to the job because he was a cheap yes man.

Carter and Minnards need to get out of the club, we were better off under Ted, at least he tried where as this lot just blame everyone and everything but themselves.'"

What a load of utter garbage. I'm not even going to deconstruct that or argue. It's too stupid

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Quote: 1315trinity "I'm sure if you think about what you have said, you'll regret some of it! MC and JM have NOT run the club into the ground, the club wouldn't be there if it wasn't for them. Unfortunately they are both accountants and won't spend what we haven't got. That is reflected in the present quality of players!
We need that benefactor now.
As for Ted - NO! he had his own interests at heart and ultimately 'sod the club!''"

They are spending on things we dont need thought, did we need a big screen that cant really be seen from the North Stand? No we did not. Should we be spending circa £200k per year on Gaskell and Lineham? No and I could go on.

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Quote: charlie63wildcat "What a load of utter garbage. I'm not even going to deconstruct that or argue. It's too stupid'"

Please explain what you think is garbage or are you unable to formulate argument against it because the reality is that I am correct.

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I think we have got to the point where we need a hard reset. I almost think relegation would be a good opportunity for that. The new stand will hopefully give us the income and put us in a good position to compete at the top end of the championship and give us a chance to rebuild our reputation. This cycle or hanging on every year and been the laughing stock of super league has to end. We need to start again and rebuild. I think both the club and fans need that

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Quote: altofts wildcat "Please explain what you think is garbage or are you unable to formulate argument against it because the reality is that I am correct.'"


Carter and Minnards have run the club into the ground. - no they havent. The club is in a better position than it has ever been off the field.
They bemoan not having any money yet we are paying Gaskell and Lineham circa £200k per year between them. - they got who was available per the coaches request, and I'm pretty sure you don't know their wages.

Applegarth is out of his depth, - in your opnion. I don't agree.
it's not his fault and I don't blame him, I blame the people who appointed someone who isn't up to the job because he was a cheap yes man.- I agree if it does turn out that he is out of his depth it's the boards fault

Carter and Minnards need to get out of the club, we were better off under Ted, - no we weren't. I think we were on the verge of financial black hole at least twice in his tenure. Great guy who did a lot for us, but your statement is not true
at least he tried where as this lot just blame everyone and everything but themselves. - I've not heard Minards blame anyone.

The performance was rubbish last night and lots of valid comments on here, but yours isn't one of them...imho

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Carter and Minnards need to get out of the club, we were better off under Ted, - =#FF0000:1bcr0dqz]no we weren't. I think we were on the verge of financial black hole at least twice in his tenure. Great guy who did a lot for us, but your statement is not true[ =#FF0000]I've not heard Minards blame anyone.:1bcr0dqz]

The performance was rubbish last night and lots of valid comments on here, but yours isn't one of them...imho'"
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Omg someone actually think s we were in a better financial state in teds day
"no we weren't. I think we were on the verge of financial black hole at least twice in his tenure. Great guy who did a lot for us, but your statement is not true[ I've not heard Minards blame anyone.

The performance was rubbish last night and lots of valid comments on here, but yours isn't one of them...imho'"
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Omg someone actually think s we were in a better financial state in teds day

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This was the one season to gamble to ensure we stay in SL because if you live in the real world Championship will almost guarantee years in the wilderness. We have no money now just think what we have to come. The powers that be decided to spend any spare cash on the ground. We are where we are, I suppose if or when it is confirmed we are relegated the football club with a bigger backer will have a nice stadium to play out of and may eventually become the bigger entity.
We are certainly doing our best to drive supporters away not just with the cost of admittance but the price of everything once in. I wonder what the prices were like in the new drinking facility.

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Quote: altofts wildcat "They are spending on things we dont need thought, did we need a big screen that cant really be seen from the North Stand? No we did not. Should we be spending circa £200k per year on Gaskell and Lineham? No and I could go on.'"


Every SL club now has to have it's own big screen, so yes, on this issue there was no choice.
Gaskill and Lineham were already here but, both have proved to be very poor signings.
Gaskill in theory offers decent utility value but, i'd rather have Hampshire in the squad.

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If we do go down we will just be another Halifax or Widnes, mid table for years.

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Anyone advocating for relegation and a “reset” in the Championship is totally out of touch with reality
Anyone who was there in 1998 1999 & 2000 will know how much we struggled and what a Herculean effort it was to win our place in Superleague. Maybe 24 years of being in SL has made some fans blasé about it but believe me, despite a few fans from Widnes or a fan from Leigh saying it ain’t all that bad, we do not want to be down there if we can avoid it.

We are one of the oldest Rugby Clubs in the world, we have a rich history and had our time as the best club in the world during the late 50s and throughout the 60s, we have Jonty Parkin and Neil Fox amongst our legends and we deserve nay belong in the top tier. Nothing will drain your soul more than looking up from the Championship yearning to be a part of the bigger games and regretting that we weakly capitulated and surrendered our place in SL.

We need to act now and do whatever it takes to get out of this hole we’ve designed and manufactured for ourselves!

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