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Quote: cocker "Dont think I can recall Kirmond or Demetriou shouting v much when things weren’t going well … they both led by example on the field but no ranting at players behind the posts after conceding etc .'"


That’s probably because they didn’t have to but by god it’s needed now!

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Quote: 1315trinity "That’s probably because they didn’t have to but by god it’s needed now!'"

Ha … selective memory I think there !! Lol

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Quote: cocker "Dont think I can recall Kirmond or Demetriou shouting v much when things weren’t going well … they both led by example on the field but no ranting at players behind the posts after conceding etc .'"


JD definitely did. There are lots of photos and clips of him barking orders.
All the players from that era comment on him as a leader on their podcast.

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Quote: ball-in-hand "I am not normally one for singling out players for criticism but I thought he was really poor today apart from the 40 20. I have never thought he was really captain material.. He doesn't appear to show leadership when we go behind. For me we should let him go . We should be trying to keep players like Batch who always give 100 percent and despite his stupidity today we need to keep Fifita and stop wasting money on over 30s players who have been rejected by other clubs .'"

LMS is 36 and shows more pride , passion and effort than most of our players at half his age .Props are coming into their prime at around 30 , its not the signing of players of any age , it’s getting players that want to play for us ,that’s the problem ,and not treating us as a holiday camp ,or retirement home . Oust them at the earliest opportunity I say ,clear the decks . On a personal note I couldn’t give a monkeys if their 19 or 29 as long as they put the effort in and show pride in wearing the shirt ,something that has been sadly lacking for far too long by far too many ,and it’s simply unsustainable.

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The club seems to be in limp mode, could it be because of the uncertainty regarding certain players.
I'm sure the club know now who will be stopping and who's going.
I personally don't know if Miller s a good player or not, I never have. He seems to float in and out of games without breaking any pots and very rarely has a barnstorming game.
I think he will probably go but who's available in our present situation.

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Quote: ball-in-hand "I am not normally one for singling out players for criticism but I thought he was really poor today apart from the 40 20. I have never thought he was really captain material.. He doesn't appear to show leadership when we go behind. For me we should let him go . We should be trying to keep players like Batch who always give 100 percent and despite his stupidity today we need to keep Fifita and stop wasting money on over 30s players who have been rejected by other clubs .'"

He created 4 of our 5 tries as well as the 40/20. It always amazes me how every bad defeat is millers fault. When he's ripping it up at cas next season, perhaps those who don't watch the game properly might realise their error

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Quote: Wildthing "He's an appalling Captain.'"

Why? What's your evidence?

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Quote: 1315trinity "Miller’s game has probably suffered because of the extra responsibility that comes with Captaincy.'"
a 40/20 that led to the first try and all 4 tries he created.

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Quote: Willzay "The owners need to publicly call him out - he’s been getting away with being a poor captain for far too long.'"
watch the replay. 40/20 and either the pass or kick he delivered created all 4 of our tries.
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Quote: charlie63wildcat "He created 4 of our 5 tries as well as the 40/20. It always amazes me how every bad defeat is millers fault. When he's ripping it up at cas next season, perhaps those who don't watch the game properly might realise their error'"


Given that we only scored 4 tries that is quite a statement.
He had no involvement in Hood's try and Walker provided the kick for Tanginoa.
The official stats give him 2 assists .. along with the 40/20, 5 missed tackles, 2 errors and 16 carries averaging 2 metres per carry.

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Quote: charlie63wildcat "watch the replay. 40/20 and either the pass or kick he delivered created all 4 of our tries.
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That’s all well and good but when the capitulation starts where is he? First one to have his head down and hands on the hips behind the posts. Proper captain material.

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Quote: Brightside "Given that we only scored 4 tries that is quite a statement.
He had no involvement in Hood's try and Walker provided the kick for Tanginoa.
The official stats give him 2 assists .. along with the 40/20, 5 missed tackles, 2 errors and 16 carries averaging 2 metres per carry.'"


5 missed tackles, wow.

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Quote: charlie63wildcat "a 40/20 that led to the first try and all 4 tries he created.'"


I know he has the class and ability to create play but he's inconsistent.
The main issue is his captaincy.
You're obviously a Miller fan, so you must know that he doesn't remonstrate with the players after tries have been scored, there is no dialogue. A captain's job is not just leading the team out - he has to lift his players and get into them but I see no sign of that. That's what I'm getting at.

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Quote: charlie63wildcat "Why? What's your evidence?'"


My eyes.

He doesn't motivate, or rally. His general attitude. He doesn't inspire.
Not saying he's a bad player, or a bad person, he's just not a Captain.

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Quote: Travelling Wilbury "5 missed tackles, wow.'"
depends how you look at it, in my mind I don't expect our play makers to be at the brunt of the tacking why would they as they have enough in getting the plays working on attack, I'm not condoning missed tackles or even saying they do none at all but generally it takes its toll to the player tackling the bigger lads
hence the saying play makers working behind the pack

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