I don't really know how they test it either, but just like everyone else, I don't know how they decide paracetamol, ibuprofen, flu vaccine, MMR or anything else are tested either.

I don't get the anti vax logic that this one is different.

The govt has a duty to care for it's citizens, often when they don't think they need caring for - seat belts, helmets on motorbikes, clean air zones, emissions-based taxation systems - the list is endless.

None of the things you cite as personal choice affect me in the way covid will - if you are fat or drunk = I won't catch it from you.

You say the govt is responsible for the health care of the nation = big govt; but not responsible for health of the individual = small govt. It can't be both these things.

As an example, we blame the govt for under-resourcing care homes (which are all privately owned!), but want our own individual freedoms to be consequence-free.

Is govt responsible for us or not?

Roll all those things together and multiply them by 10 = they don't come close to impacting the NHS in anything like the same way as covid!

BTW - I am as confused as many others, when all the data seems to suggest numbers are dropping (and I just checked the BBC site to be sure), yet restrictions are being ramped up!

And another thing - those saying this Tory govt blah blah blah...Labour want STRONGER restrictions!

They are NOT the political party of freedom.

The lower limit is 4000 standing

Thanks for confirming. I couldn't remember the number.

Another dilemma really.
Do the club limit attendance to 4k (- season tickets) or leave it open and risk getting <4k because of the need for covid passes?
I think a negative lateral flow test will suffice.
How easy is it to check everyone's covid pass on entry?

No more difficult than checking a ticket..... Assuming people know how to open it in the first place. The people on the gate would need a bit of help I think to make it smooth.

Hopefully, it will look different by the first round proper on the 13th February.

I just think it will put a lot off and an opening day fixture at home against Hull needs to be a bumper crowd.

I agree but can I pull you up on one point, a real big bear of mine.

Although fatty foods in excess are not good for you it’s now widely accepted that this was a red herring to hide the real culprit.

Sugar is the real enemy and always has been. Ever wondered why people in the fifties and sixties were pencil thin yet lived on dripping.

Avoid anything containing fructose and it’s derivatives and you will be Twiggy within 6 month. That will happen even if you still have the odd bacon butty.

Read the political history behind refined sugar in the US, it’s not a conspiracy theory it’s a fact, it’s fascinating and it’s still happening.

Subject to approval by MPs, from Wednesday 15 December, people in England will need to use the NHS Covid Pass to gain entry to:

Nightclubs
Indoor unseated venues with more than 500 people
Unseated outdoor venues with more than 4,000 people
Any venue with more than 10,000 people
People who are not fully vaccinated will be able to show proof of a recent negative lateral flow test instead.

I agree

Apologies I should have encompassed sugary foods too I've seen the documentary re the sugar barons in the US and their lobbying power. Scary to think they have so much control