Quote: PopTart "I'm not sure who you are having a go at. No one has said they don't forgive him or aren't prepared to give him a second chance. For me he's served his punishment so no case to discuss anyway. However I do think drugs are harmful, recreational or otherwise. And I still don't agree with your 'very large percentage' claim. Haven't seen the evidence you quote either.'" I'm defending myself from another thread. viewtopic.php?f=33&t=636476&start=30 Here is a young man who did exactly what I said I suspected I may have done myself at the same age as him, had the opportunity been there. I was roundly accused of supporting drugs when I wasn't. I'd let it go but this just so proved my point. I'm not condoning or attacking, just pointing out that's it's a social issue, not an RL one. Yes, performance-enhancing is a different issue. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-56001234 That's just teens, so I suspect you could easily double that with people in their 20's maybe more. At a minimum that's 20% and I reckon it's more, it's not something many will admit to. So yes, for a criminal activity I'd say 'very large percentage' is reasonable. I also don't think this is thread drifting, apart from his ability this is clearly the main issue with this particular player.

Quote: PopTart "I'm not sure who you are having a go at. No one has said they don't forgive him or aren't prepared to give him a second chance. For me he's served his punishment so no case to discuss anyway. However I do think drugs are harmful, recreational or otherwise. And I still don't agree with your 'very large percentage' claim. Haven't seen the evidence you quote either.'" I'm defending myself from another thread. viewtopic.php?f=33&t=636476&start=30 Here is a young man who did exactly what I said I suspected I may have done myself at the same age as him, had the opportunity been there. I was roundly accused of supporting drugs when I wasn't. I'd let it go but this just so proved my point. I'm not condoning or attacking, just pointing out that's it's a social issue, not an RL one. Yes, performance-enhancing is a different issue. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-56001234 That's just teens, so I suspect you could easily double that with people in their 20's maybe more. At a minimum that's 20% and I reckon it's more, it's not something many will admit to. So yes, for a criminal activity I'd say 'very large percentage' is reasonable. I also don't think this is thread drifting, apart from his ability this is clearly the main issue with this particular player.

Couple things on this topic , guess vastie is same age group as me and I can assure him that illegal drugs were if anything easier to get hold of than they are now.

Fact is that the law treats different groups and their crimes in entirely different ways , many of those differing treatments are actually enshrined in law. So if you are a professional sportsperson you will be held to a totally different standard to a politician, or any of the other groups.

The report you cite is in itself quite interesting as it clearly draws every negative it can on unfashionable groups yet makes no negative reference whatsoever to any group that has a power base or voice.

Already said on here he looked good and obviously has potential , let’s see what the club and full time environment can do for him

Think the club is doing exactly the right thing ,

Well I don't know what world you lived in but in my early eighties Nirvana drugs weren't just difficult to find but almost impossible, even pot and that was the only one I ever came across, Sure I suppose once you knew a source it was easy enough but the vast majority of us had no idea.

Now, even as a 58-year-old man, I know exactly where to get drugs from and there are numerous sources within a five-minute walk of my house. I don't obviously. Ditto at work where our night shift is like late sixties Saigon. So although it may have been your experience it certainly wasn't mine and I think I'm more typical, to be honest.

The report was simply the first one I Googled but there are literally 1000's and many are far more alarming, I chose this because I still just about trust the BBC.

Lots of us oldies took drugs in 60s and early 70s.Peace and love and flower power man.I never over indulged and quite frankly preferred s few pints.

Yeah right one post. Cocaine was almost impossible to obtain in the sixties and seventies outside of a select group in London. I've read enough histories and biographies to know that. Drugs in provincial Britain up until the mid-eighties is a myth. As I say, pot and amphetamines were about your lot.

Anyway, my point made, back to Thomas Minns.

I've watched his highlights and he looks like a solid and committed player, a real centre.

Well you are wrong there Vasty..More available than you suggest.
Think the difference was that it did not penetrate down to the really young., and you really had to be 'in the know'. Being at university helped a lot.

Why do we have to turn it into a thread about drugs yes TM has had his issue in past but every one makes mistakes and deserves chance to put things right.

Because it's an issue in the game, it is a forum. However, I'm more than happy to see him given a go same as I was with Ogden.

Ah well, you didn't mention that. Universities were probably the only places outside of London where hard drugs were available.

My brother has been a policeman since 1984 and he says drugs were not an issue in Wakefield until the very end of the eighties with the rave scene and even then it was limited. The only areas he recalls with serious drug issues were parts of Leeds (won't take much working out) and one of the Bradford sink estates.

He's retired now but he will tell you that drugs are everywhere now and the police are almost powerless they are so overwhelmed, hence the availability and the temptation.

Drugs were glamorised in the sixties and seventies and the trail of destruction and corruption is there for all to see. I'm so glad I was around in the 80's when we were just playing at being rebels, now it's for real and it's awful.

I sincerely hope Minns is reformed and if he joins us has a great career and will carry on preaching the anti-drugs message because it's sorely needed.

Semi related I wonder what the rules are going to be on Boxing Day and wether or not we will get a chance to have a look at him in the red white and blue.

Despite the relatively low profile nature of our signings we do seem to have a number of players - mainly backs that haven’t played for us before

I think we could have made some very shrewd signings, certainly Minns and the young kid from Leeds, added to Whitbread - all three have something to prove and that's what we need.
I'm quite happy with the recruitment, particularly when you think the likes of Murphy, Bowes and a few others are all that bit older and more mature and surely knocking on the door of the first team very soon!

Don't think we've signed Minns yet, but I reckon if he passes muster he's a very good signing. He and Croft add good cover to the centres.

Whitbread is the only known IMHO, he will either be great or a bit of a dud it's hard to tell as I just can't find enough on him to make a judgement.

Yeah getting carried away a bit regarding Minns !
Whitbread has played a few NRL games though so looks promising, but I agree only time will tell.
A mixed bag of recruits but that's what makes it good to me because there's bound to be two or three that will be good for us.

Minns and Little Dave both now signed up... https://wakefieldtrinity.com/blog/2022/ ... -for-2022/

Minns and Little Dave both now signed up... https://wakefieldtrinity.com/blog/2022/ ... -for-2022/