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| Quote: Luppylad "Can i just ask what you want fans to be positive about..i dont agree with players coaches been slagged off and abused thats not right but fans have a right to be negative and unhappy we have a win record of somthing like 8 in 43 we have lost our last 8 games v sl opposition in a row dont understand how you expect fans not to be negative. We are in serious danger of relagation is that positive'"
The problem is, fans seem to think we should be better, but the team that is able to get our on the field is capable of 8 wins in however many we are now.
I'm seeing a team trying to do their best in difficult circumstances. I'm prepared to support them through that.
We just went toe to toe with a top team sporting a man of steel, Australian international still in their prime and a number of other internationals.
Our team had two debutant who can't get into another super league side, a fullback at stand off and two wingers that if we had a choice wouldn't be playing.
I support that kind of endeavour and can look passed the score to see what is happening. As can others it would appear from the reactions to the negative posts.
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| Quote: PopTart "The problem is, fans seem to think we should be better, but the team that is able to get our on the field is capable of 8 wins in however many we are now.
I'm seeing a team trying to do their best in difficult circumstances. I'm prepared to support them through that.
We just went toe to toe with a top team sporting a man of steel, Australian international still in their prime and a number of other internationals.
Our team had two debutant who can't get into another super league side, a fullback at stand off and two wingers that if we had a choice wouldn't be playing.
I support that kind of endeavour and can look passed the score to see what is happening. As can others it would appear from the reactions to the negative posts.'"
Thing is I get what you are saying, and there is some merit in what you are saying, but......we have now in all of the games, been in with a chance of winning at around the 55/60 minute mark, and won none, not once have we been dominant in the final quarter of games. You seem to hang everything on whose missing for us and who plays for the opposition etc. Let's not forget those 1st 3 games, we had Miller, TJ, Tupou, Ashurst, not to mention Fifita, Arona etc who people said before they were massive losses and the reason of poor form previously. Because this just goes on and on, it seems it doesn't matter what the personnel is and what positions they play, it remains the same outcome, that is probably what p****s people off the most! We can't just think that when we play Salford, Leigh, Hudds etc we will win automatically, it doesn't work like that, we just aren't ruthless enough when presented with opportunities against any opposition, we had enough possession and territory against Hull last week to win 3 games! No-one in my opinion has actually played that great against us so far, the first 10 mins. of the 2nd half against Wigan all they did was drop the ball, they completed 1 set out of 5, did we take advantage and at least score 1 or 2 tries? No, because like I said we just aren't ruthless enough, and don't take it for granted that we will be against 'lower opposition' as you put it.
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| Quote: Wildmoggy "Thing is I get what you are saying, and there is some merit in what you are saying, but......we have now in all of the games, been in with a chance of winning at around the 55/60 minute mark, and won none, not once have we been dominant in the final quarter of games. You seem to hang everything on whose missing for us and who plays for the opposition etc. Let's not forget those 1st 3 games, we had Miller, TJ, Tupou, Ashurst, not to mention Fifita, Arona etc who people said before they were massive losses and the reason of poor form previously. Because this just goes on and on, it seems it doesn't matter what the personnel is and what positions they play, it remains the same outcome, that is probably what p****s people off the most! We can't just think that when we play Salford, Leigh, Hudds etc we will win automatically, it doesn't work like that, we just aren't ruthless enough when presented with opportunities against any opposition, we had enough possession and territory against Hull last week to win 3 games! No-one in my opinion has actually played that great against us so far, the first 10 mins. of the 2nd half against Wigan all they did was drop the ball, they completed 1 set out of 5, did we take advantage and at least score 1 or 2 tries? No, because like I said we just aren't ruthless enough, and don't take it for granted that we will be against 'lower opposition' as you put it.'"
Opposition don't just play badly against us at random. They make mistakes because we are trying hard to stop them.
This is what frustrates me. I accept we are not great and need to improve, but some have got so negative that they can't see anything good in the team, when there is actually lots of good.
Even those games you say we had full strength teams. We didn't have a recognised Hooker and we had key players injured during the game..... Away.... Against the most successful teams in the league.
I don't think people realise what a difference playing away means either.
Trinity Heritage posted a news letter focusing on Wigan.
I was surprised that in our history we are 40 wins and 47 losses to Wigan at Belle Vue. Clearly that takes a lot from the 60s and our successful times. Away we are 13 out of 84. That doesn't include the neutral ground ones either.
I look forward to seeing them at Belle Vue and shouting my support as loud as I can. Win, lose or draw.
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| Other teams have no problem playing away from home.
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| Quote: PopTart "Opposition don't just play badly against us at random. They make mistakes because we are trying hard to stop them.
This is what frustrates me. I accept we are not great and need to improve, but some have got so negative that they can't see anything good in the team, when there is actually lots of good.
Even those games you say we had full strength teams. We didn't have a recognised Hooker and we had key players injured during the game..... Away.... Against the most successful teams in the league.
I don't think people realise what a difference playing away means either.
Trinity Heritage posted a news letter focusing on Wigan.
I was surprised that in our history we are 40 wins and 47 losses to Wigan at Belle Vue. Clearly that takes a lot from the 60s and our successful times. Away we are 13 out of 84. That doesn't include the neutral ground ones either.
I look forward to seeing them at Belle Vue and shouting my support as loud as I can. Win, lose or draw.'"
Well let's look at Leigh's squad compared to ours, and look at their performances against Wigan & Saints compared to ours, and look at the final scorelines in those games, then you may get an idea why people are slightly worried and fed up!!!!!
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| The problem is that the squad does not lack quality it just lacks direction.
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| Quote: FickleFingerOfFate "Can't blame COVID, every other team has had to deal with it.
What's been the problem the season before when we scraped over the line with a win against London?
Maybe playing player's in the correct positions and not signing players and not playing them?'"
I meant covid affecting the mood of so-called supporters.
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| Quote: Wildmoggy "Well let's look at Leigh's squad compared to ours, and look at their performances against Wigan & Saints compared to ours, and look at the final scorelines in those games, then you may get an idea why people are slightly worried and fed up!!!!!'"
Not squad, teams. Compare the teams on the field.
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| Quote: PopTart "Not squad, teams. Compare the teams on the field.'"
But it's a squad game isn't it? Do we not have a bigger and better squad than Leigh?! Anyway, so far we are very even with them, played 5 lost 5, points for and against almost identical. Where we differ is, we lost 34-6 to Wigan and Saints, they lost 20-18 and 22-12 to the same teams, make of that what you will, in isolation it's pretty embarrassing on our part really.
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| My last post on here before I leave, pop tart is delusional clown and until we get shut of Chester are destined for championship rugby. Goodnight and godbless
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| Quote: Wildmoggy "But it's a squad game isn't it? Do we not have a bigger and better squad than Leigh?! Anyway, so far we are very even with them, played 5 lost 5, points for and against almost identical. Where we differ is, we lost 34-6 to Wigan and Saints, they lost 20-18 and 22-12 to the same teams, make of that what you will, in isolation it's pretty embarrassing on our part really.
Ask yourself should you be equal with Leigh? What a comical comment that is..
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| Quote: Wildmoggy "But it's a squad game isn't it? Do we not have a bigger and better squad than Leigh?! Anyway, so far we are very even with them, played 5 lost 5, points for and against almost identical. Where we differ is, we lost 34-6 to Wigan and Saints, they lost 20-18 and 22-12 to the same teams, make of that what you will, in isolation it's pretty embarrassing on our part really.
My point about the squad is that people keep saying our squad has enough quality to do better, and they are right, but we rarely get the best on the field..... So to compare with Leigh we need to compare the players available to play and when you do there difference isn't so much.
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| Quote: Wollo-Wollo-Wollo-Wayoo "The fans, sponsors and Sky set the budget.'"
What really worries me wollo is as you say ,the the sky money is in the bag ,to some extent so are the sponsors .But we are going to find it extremely difficult to build our fan base on current performances which will have serious repercussions on the recruitment front going forwards .As has been stated plenty of time ,if we had the money available which star is going to want to play in a whipping boys team . The quality we have will only go one way as I see it until we can build a team ,not of superstars but a team that win or lose plays to the best of their abilities, which is something I personally don’t see ,although by the last performance there is a glimmer of hope . A winning team equates to a growing fan base which in turn put money in the coffers to attract and buy these better quality players we all crave for. If people are happy for this once great club to suffer a slow lingering death I question your loyalty ,just as people question mine for daring to speak my mind about this great clubs current predicament which has slowly but surely turned into a team of easy beats .
I’ll be on the terraces until I draw my last breathe , but there aren’t many of me left ,and if we don’t turn the tide very soon there will be far fewer going forwards and that my friends truly saddens me .This club is bigger than everyone ,coaches , Directors ,they all have come and gone but the Trin has kept going throughout ,I hope my grandkids are stood watching this once proud team in 20/30 years time ,and so to that end we must do whatever it takes to keep this club going . If this current crop had as much pride and passion for our club as I have had over the years we wouldn’t be staring down the barrels as we are now .
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| Quote: Kettykat "What really worries me wollo is as you say ,the the sky money is in the bag ,to some extent so are the sponsors .But we are going to find it extremely difficult to build our fan base on current performances which will have serious repercussions on the recruitment front going forwards .As has been stated plenty of time ,if we had the money available which star is going to want to play in a whipping boys team . The quality we have will only go one way as I see it until we can build a team ,not of superstars but a team that win or lose plays to the best of their abilities, which is something I personally don’t see ,although by the last performance there is a glimmer of hope . A winning team equates to a growing fan base which in turn put money in the coffers to attract and buy these better quality players we all crave for. If people are happy for this once great club to suffer a slow lingering death I question your loyalty ,just as people question mine for daring to speak my mind about this great clubs current predicament which has slowly but surely turned into a team of easy beats .
I’ll be on the terraces until I draw my last breathe , but there aren’t many of me left ,and if we don’t turn the tide very soon there will be far fewer going forwards and that my friends truly saddens me .This club is bigger than everyone ,coaches , Directors ,they all have come and gone but the Trin has kept going throughout ,I hope my grandkids are stood watching this once proud team in 20/30 years time ,and so to that end we must do whatever it takes to keep this club going . If this current crop had as much pride and passion for our club as I have had over the years we wouldn’t be staring down the barrels as we are now .'"
This once great club?
Where do you think we should be in the league rankings?
Here is our finishing league position from 1966-2020
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| Quote: coco the fullback "This once great club?
Where do you think we should be in the league rankings?
Here is our finishing league position from 1966-2020
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If your happy with our performances of late that’s fair enough ,you’ll get what you deserve with the team serving up this poor quality rugby, and that will be poor gate attendances ,lower quality players as a Direct result and a slow demise of, and I’ll word this different ,a once proud club , if that suits you better .
I’m not happy with our performances,I pay my season ticket and I voice my opinion simple as .
This club was a once great and proud club and I for one would like us to take positive steps to get us back there .Instead we are supposed to support without question mediocrity or we are classed not loyal . What a load of bull that is ,if I see players not playing for our club with pride and passion I’ll voice my opinions ,just as I will when they are playing well .Time for changes, as all we have to look forwards is a slow demise with a dwindling support base and even less quality than we already have . Sad times indeed when I see more passion from my 12 year old grandson playing RL than some of our squad
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