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| Success is relative.
Absolute success would be the "business" growing and profitable and Trophies in the cabinet.
However, any improvement in last year (on and off the field) would also be success.
Right now, seeing the ground improvements begin and a solid season on the pitch would be a great season.
This would show that the club are indeed making progress both on and off the field.
Still dreaming of Wembley though ![PRAY icon_razz.gifRAY:](images/smilies//eusa_pray.gif)
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| Quote: wrencat1873 "Success is relative.
Absolute success would be the "business" growing and profitable and Trophies in the cabinet.
However, any improvement in last year (on and off the field) would also be success.
Right now, seeing the ground improvements begin and a solid season on the pitch would be a great season.
This would show that the club are indeed making progress both on and off the field.
Still dreaming of Wembley though
Imagine getting to Wembley and not being able to attend, would be just our luck....
I agree, success is relative, it`s also personal based on expectations of outcomes so not only is there a massive difference in opinion on what a successful campaign or a failure is club by club but it will also vary massively in a clubs fanbase.
In my own head, I try to find a better word for "success" in what I refer to above as I think there is a massive difference between relative success and what I would call actual or absolute success, that been Silverware 100% IMO, however if we made the grand final that would be a great success for Wakefield Trinity as we stand relative to our current circumstances.
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| Success to me would be just to get a bit of respect of the pundits. Not only have they said we are favourites to go down ,and the worst ground in S L .They now say we have the worst away support in S L .Success to me would have a season were we can shut them up
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| Seems there are a few on here that are just happy to take second best or even sit mid table and have a spade in the ground it's no wonder the club is getting nowhere with that attitude, I'm in it to win it every season else what's the point
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| Quote: snowie "Seems there are a few on here that are just happy to take second best or even sit mid table and have a spade in the ground it's no wonder the club is getting nowhere with that attitude, I'm in it to win it every season else what's the point'"
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| Quote: snowie "Seems there are a few on here that are just happy to take second best or even sit mid table and have a spade in the ground it's no wonder the club is getting nowhere with that attitude, I'm in it to win it every season else what's the point'"
We'd all love to win the GF or the Challenge Cup but, realistically, is that what you expect before the start of each season.
Those running the club should certainly have a plan to reach the top.
However, to go from last day survival, with London relegated and 10th from 11 last season (Toronto withdrawn), there would need to be one hell of a lot of stars aligning for us to gain a play off spot, never mind make the GF (and win it) !
I share your dream but, with where the club is at currently, starting from well down the shaft and with very little in terms of new players and looking one or two props light, we look likely to finish closer to the bottom than the top.
This isn't accepting defeat, it's just realism.
Like you, I would love Trinity to be a regular top 4 side and the ground developments are the first major step towards getting there, with the prospect of being able to attract new fans and more than we have had for a number of years.
It's all about progress and the club moving forward.
If those at the helm, supported by the fans, can get this right, "real" success will come and god knows, it's overdue.
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| Quote: snowie "Seems there are a few on here that are just happy to take second best or even sit mid table and have a spade in the ground it's no wonder the club is getting nowhere with that attitude, I'm in it to win it every season else what's the point'"
True but at the same time I’m getting sick of the club saying they want to get to the CC final and then getting knocked out straight away. Or getting to a semi final and cocking it up.
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| Quote: wrencat1873 "We'd all love to win the GF or the Challenge Cup but, realistically, is that what you expect before the start of each season.
Those running the club should certainly have a plan to reach the top.
However, to go from last day survival, with London relegated and 10th from 11 last season (Toronto withdrawn), there would need to be one hell of a lot of stars aligning for us to gain a play off spot, never mind make the GF (and win it) !
I share your dream but, with where the club is at currently, starting from well down the shaft and with very little in terms of new players and looking one or two props light, we look likely to finish closer to the bottom than the top.
This isn't accepting defeat, it's just realism.
Like you, I would love Trinity to be a regular top 4 side and the ground developments are the first major step towards getting there, with the prospect of being able to attract new fans and more than we have had for a number of years.
It's all about progress and the club moving forward.
If those at the helm, supported by the fans, can get this right, "real" success will come and god knows, it's overdue.'"
having watched this mornings game storm v the bunnies Melbourne blitzed them within the first 20 minutes making the bunnies look inferior that's the difference between a side wanting to win, in the end it was a close game result wise this is what happens to us and we end up struggling to keep up heads go down and belief fades that has to stop.
what I want this year is a change to attitude I do expect a loss along the way as I'd be foolish to think otherwise I want to see someone laying the law down and I want to see a unity within the group even if the going gets tough
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| Quote: snowie "having watched this mornings game storm v the bunnies Melbourne blitzed them within the first 20 minutes making the bunnies look inferior that's the difference between a side wanting to win, in the end it was a close game result wise this is what happens to us and we end up struggling to keep up heads go down and belief fades that has to stop.
what I want this year is a change to attitude I do expect a loss along the way as I'd be foolish to think otherwise I want to see someone laying the law down and I want to see a unity within the group even if the going gets tough'"
Cant argue with that Snowie ![Thumbs up icon_thumb.gif](images/smilies//icon_thumb.gif)
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| Turning up to a game knowing the squad will perform consistently and be in with a shout against any club.
Standing in a full ground, I'm not a subscriber to build it and they will come
The culture at the club needs to change and I see the changes made to the coaching staff a step in the right direction.
The club lacks ambition and that has rubbed off on the coaches players and supporters attitude itsseems content with the present level of support and will ever speculate to accumulate.
A new marketing strategy for match days should be adopted with the intention of getting numbers through the gates.
While ever supporters base success on survival and still being around the club will stagment.
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| I can't equate financial prudence with lack of ambition. All but 3 clubs operated at a loss at the last reckoning and these include the perennial winners who are consistently able to buy success and outbid any efforts of other clubs to usurp their position. This situation will persist whilst the SL clubs run the game and they are allowed to change the salary cap requirements to suit their own ends.
Wakefield Trinity has successfully negotiated 23 consecutive seasons in Super League, defying all odds and with several self inflicted disasters heaped upon us - but we are still there with a chip in the game and a chance to shine this year.
As for success. Last year saw some great development of young Wakefield lads into Super League standard players led by Jordi Crowther's massive improvement to a point where he reminds me of Nigel Bell, a true club legend. Established players should rightly be concerned that there are several youngsters pressing claims for positions they may feel they own. So, my hope for this season is that all our senior players show a marked improvement in their game but may be unable to hold off the tidal wave of talent coming through to take their places.
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| Good post FSW some S L up perfectly
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| Quote: snowie "
what I want this year is a change to attitude I do expect a loss along the way as I'd be foolish to think otherwise I want to see someone laying the law down and I want to see a unity within the group even if the going gets tough'"
Amen to that.
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| For the optimists among us who believe that Trinity have a good chance of reaching Wembley this year and that supporters will be allowed to attend. National Travel are offering return coach travel 1 night 3star b&b and match tickets for £149.
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