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| Quote: PopTart "Coaches absolutely have a limited lifetime at a club but how long that is is not a fixed number of course.
The reason it is often the case is that fans aren't patient through the peaks and troughs. It's understandable but sometimes peaks are missed because of it.
Wenger or more so Ferguson lasted a long time and saw a lot of success but they had low times where some fans were edgy. Staying with the was better than ditching.
Equally sometimes it just doesn't work like a Tony Casper Smith or a Webster.
But looking at someone like Agar or Kear, would we have been better sticking?
Agar has proved he can do it and every player I hear comment about him says great things but many fans hated him. The Hull fans pushed it and some latched on when things got rocky.
For me it's the same with Chester. It's a big decision to let someone go. I wouldn't do it this season anyway because a new coach won't be starting in a good environment. If we were signing Holbrook or JD or Craig Bellamy then of course they are proven to be better.
Just jumping to an unproven assistant is not good enough for me and I'd rather stick with Chester.'"
Kear definitely but the same mob who were on his back are the same ones after CC.
However, I don't think JK's team of nobodies (again issues outside the coached control) ever dropped as low as we are now. There is more talent in our current second string than JK had in his last season.
Truth is from 2006 to 2009 people were calling for JK to get the freedom of the city, a few years later it was all forgotten. You can see the same now, early 2019 we were kings of the world after a good start to the season and showing Leeds and Hull their own backsides in their own backyards. Go we looked good and full of talent and promise, then it all turned to poo.
For me it's not about blame it's about momentum and Chester has lost it and unlike Fergy I don't think he has either the ability or the resources to get it back.
However like you but unlike many others I hope I'm wrong, I really do and I will live in hope until his sacking actually happens. I'm not optimistic if I'm honest.
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| Quote: Sacred Cow "May as well keep Chester until the end of next week. We’ve got to play Saints twice before then, we’ll get pumped whoever is in charge. Let him take the hit.'"
Get your point but you could argue that it's the perfect time to let a new coach see what's wrong without any real pressure or risk.
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| Quote: Fishermanscap "Kear definitely but the same mob who were on his back are the same ones after CC.
However, I don't think JK's team of nobodies (again issues outside the coached control) ever dropped as low as we are now. There is more talent in our current second string than JK had in his last season.
Truth is from 2006 to 2009 people were calling for JK to get the freedom of the city, a few years later it was all forgotten. You can see the same now, early 2019 we were kings of the world after a good start to the season and showing Leeds and Hull their own backsides in their own backyards. Go we looked good and full of talent and promise, then it all turned to poo.
For me it's not about blame it's about momentum and Chester has lost it and unlike Fergy I don't think he has either the ability or the resources to get it back.
However like you but unlike many others I hope I'm wrong, I really do and I will live in hope until his sacking actually happens. I'm not optimistic if I'm honest.'"
Kear basically assembled his last squad at Trinity with milk bottle tops and certainly nothing close to a decent SL budget.
On a semi serious note, with Bradford not currently playing, could Trinity approach Kear to work as some kind of "consultant" and actually help Chester get the squad back on the right path.
Most fans seem to think that we have a reasonably good squad.
Perhaps this would be worse than sacking off Chester as it would probably undermine his position but, something needs fixing.
The boat is sinking fast and we need some help.
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| Quote: Fishermanscap "Get your point but you could argue that it's the perfect time to let a new coach see what's wrong without any real pressure or risk.'"
This whole season is about finding out what's wrong and working on fixing it. It's a safe season with no relegation. The question should be, why does Chester deserve the rest of this free season when he clearly cannot identify where it has gone wrong and fix it so far?
You can see by the absolutely pathetic excuses he comes out with in every post match interview that he's clueless about how to fix his own mistakes, and that to me says that he doesn't deserve the opportunity to waste what's left of the free season when a new coach could use that time productively to ensure we have the best possible chance of avoiding relegation and progressing next season.
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| Quote: wrencat1873 " Perhaps this would be worse than sacking off Chester as it would probably undermine his position but, something needs fixing.
The boat is sinking fast and we need some help.'"
Chester doesn't need anyone else to undermine his position, he's doing a good enough job of doing that himself.
Perhaps bringing Kear back in as a consultant would make Chester realise how much he's messed up the opportunities he's been given though
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| Quote: Egg Banjo "Chester doesn't need anyone else to undermine his position, he's doing a good enough job of doing that himself.
Perhaps bringing Kear back in as a consultant would make Chester realise how much he's messed up the opportunities he's been given though'"
I have met Chester on a few occasion, have you? He strikes me as a very open-minded and reasonable man and not in any way pig-headed. Chester will probably have to go if we are to ever regain any kind of form. However, you are living in a fool's paradise if you think Chester alone is the root cause of our problems, he simply isn't. It's endemic throughout the club especially amongst the players, many of whom no longer give a toss, This is because many were allowed to raise themselves at Trinity, an opportunity few would have received at any other club. However, they have now lost their will to push themselves and have reverted to the second-raters many really are.
Chesters biggest failure is to put too much faith in these players whilst ignoring the ones who care. He needs to look back to his first season when it was the youngsters like TJ and Jowitt who led the way instead of forever looking for quick fixes. He got lucky with Fifita but he's never really repeated that, the rest are what they are.
Gigot just stinks of desperation as do a few of the others. Ditto the utterly inconsistent team selections, even taking COVID and injuries into account he just seems to lack the will to stick with any kind of formation. Why he is how he is now when I really don't think he is that kind of man baffles me.
Baily did nothing wrong, show some balls Chris and go with the youngsters, what the feck have you got to lose!
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| All this now isn't even about the capabilities of CC as a coach, it's about his relationship with the chairman, and whether it's now detrimental to the club itself by keeping him on as coach indefinitely. I bet if there was relegation MC & CC would be suffering health wise and questioning whether walking away would be the best option for themselves, even in these uncertain financial times. Even if we lost every remaining game 62-0, and given what has gone before in recent history as re. performances and results, I think we all know he'll more than likely be the coach whenever next season kicks off, which surely can't be right? Unless of course MC'S unblinding loyalty and faith reaps rewards next season and beyond........ahem.....or maybe even amen........!
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| Quote: Wildmoggy "All this now isn't even about the capabilities of CC as a coach, it's about his relationship with the chairman, and whether it's now detrimental to the club itself by keeping him on as coach indefinitely. I bet if there was relegation MC & CC would be suffering health wise and questioning whether walking away would be the best option for themselves, even in these uncertain financial times. Even if we lost every remaining game 62-0, and given what has gone before in recent history as re. performances and results, I think we all know he'll more than likely be the coach whenever next season kicks off, which surely can't be right? Unless of course MC'S unblinding loyalty and faith reaps rewards next season and beyond........ahem.....or maybe even amen........!'"
He's not going to sack his mate when he has a wife & family How would that look??. But Wakefield Trinity is a business & as an accountant, MC should know the saying there's no friends in business.
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| Quote: Little willy "He's not going to sack his mate when he has a wife & family How would that look??. But Wakefield Trinity is a business & as an accountant, MC should know the saying there's no friends in business.'"
Yeah but there's sacking, and parted the club by mutual consent, ever heard of that one?! Which I believe was the actual 'reason' given for Webster's departure?
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| I don't understand why people think MC and Chester are so big buddies or why they think MC is not brave enough to sack someone. He's made some pretty tough decisions while at Trinity. Some people have lost jobs. Some have lost money. I don't think bravery to make a tough decision is MC's issue at all.
Whether he thinks its a decision that needs to be made is something else. I'm pretty sure he won't be swayed by 5-6 people on here "and all the people they talk to" .
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| Quote: PopTart "I don't understand why people think MC and Chester are so big buddies or why they think MC is not brave enough to sack someone. He's made some pretty tough decisions while at Trinity. Some people have lost jobs. Some have lost money. I don't think bravery to make a tough decision is MC's issue at all.
Whether he thinks its a decision that needs to be made is something else. I'm pretty sure he won't be swayed by 5-6 people on here "and all the people they talk to" .'"
And some on here make out I'm the troll! Lol
I won't say nobody, as it's possible someone does know MC and Chester outside of rugby but not many of the people posting know anymore than the next man on MC/Chesters relationship or friendship.
Getting pretty bored of this being the only thing discussed on here... across 98 topics.
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| Quote: PopTart "I don't understand why people think MC and Chester are so big buddies or why they think MC is not brave enough to sack someone. He's made some pretty tough decisions while at Trinity. Some people have lost jobs. Some have lost money. I don't think bravery to make a tough decision is MC's issue at all.
Whether he thinks its a decision that needs to be made is something else. I'm pretty sure he won't be swayed by 5-6 people on here "and all the people they talk to" .'"
Have to agree but it suits their viewpoint I suppose.
I guess also it's because he was slow to show Agar and Smith the door.
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| Quote: Fishermanscap "Have to agree but it suits their viewpoint I suppose.
I guess also it's because he was slow to show Agar and Smith the door.'"
Didn't Smith resign?
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| Quote: TheDreadnought "Didn't Smith resign?'"
Yes, I believe that's been made quite clear by another poster, but most on here thought he should have got the push before he had a chance to. Funny thing is I suspect he's the one coach MC would have liked to have sacked, Smith though has been around and beat him to the punch.
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| Quote: PopTart "I don't understand why people think MC and Chester are so big buddies or why they think MC is not brave enough to sack someone. He's made some pretty tough decisions while at Trinity. Some people have lost jobs. Some have lost money. I don't think bravery to make a tough decision is MC's issue at all.
Whether he thinks its a decision that needs to be made is something else. I'm pretty sure he won't be swayed by 5-6 people on here "and all the people they talk to" .'"
May I suggest you watch some interviews with MC & Terry Crook on Trin TV, then you may get an insight as to what sort of relationship they have. Aside from that, from a purely analytical, professional & emotionless viewpoint, how can you justify to continue to employ a coach of a team who have won 5 games out of the last 31 is it now???
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