Completely half d performance form minute 1.
Did last weeks comeback really take so much out of the players ?

With the injuries that we picked up during the game, victory was never going to happen but, Catalan looked like a well coached, organised rugby league side.
We, on the other hand, looked ill prepared and beaten and that was before a ball had been kicked (or passed).
After the effort shown in the 2nd half last week, just what changed ?

Our offence was THE most shambolic that I can remember, totally devoid of any structure / ideas.

We certainly shouldn't have changed the HB pairing.
Chester needs to decide who his best pairing are and give them PLENTY of games together, not chop and change each week.
Catalan deserve some credit for their defence, which was superb, albeit, that it wasn't exactly tested, our forwards gave in very early on after getting bullied, which just shouldn't happen at this level.
Where on earth were our leaders /enforcers.

Very, very disappointing and possibly the most inept display under Chester and there needs to be one hell of a reaction next week.

Unless the Wigan fan has watched every single Wakefield game over the last two seasons then he cannot sensibly discuss the issues which I have raised.

For the avoidance of any doubt, I am not in any way, shape or form questioning that our club has made giant strides forward over the last 4 or 5 seasons and that is to testimony in no small part to the efforts and stewardship of Michael Carter. I have the utmost respect for Michael and what he has done to transform our great club from a very dark place, which has been nothing short of a minor miracle when you consider the financial constraints within which he has had to operate.

Beating a couple of understrength Wigan teams over the past two or three years on our home patch means nothing in the context of the deep-rooted issues I have identified. Although our team has put in some tremendous shifts over the past two years, particularly last season in the face of extreme adversity and an injury crisis which was probably the worst which any super league club has had to deal with, effort only gets you so far and the win/loss ratio for this period does not lie. Hopefully yesterday was just a blip which we will not see again and we can put it behind us. Who knows, maybe CC was luring Catalans into a fall sense of security and we are going to hit them in the Challenge Cup with a different type of performance - I sincerely hope so.

We were a mid-table side two/three years ago but we are not in that place now and have not been for quite some time. Last year it was us, Hull KR, London and Huddersfield at the bottom of the pile. London were relegated and ever since Sezer joined Huddersfield they are a completely different outfit. With Toronto now gone, the reality is that Hull KR and our club are the struggling teams at the bottom and unless we change things then there is a good chance that we will end up being relegated next season – you can only dodge that trap door for so long.

So what has gone wrong and how do we fix it. There are so many facets of the game which combine to make a team successful – fitness, mental health, morale etc but what I think we need to distil it down to are the fundamentals of playing the game – defence and attack.

I think on the whole, yesterday apart, our defence has been pretty sound. However, the same cannot be said for the other half of our game - our attacking play – which is cause for concern, and has been cause for concern for some time.

Our attack has been spluttering and faltering for 2-3 seasons now. I turn up to games and watch the lads warm up and the moves look good but come game time the lads very rarely seem able to replicate the quick hands / deepish line / running onto the ball at pace of the training environment – it all seems to disappear and you have to wonder what the hell the guys are doing on the training paddock during the week. We fire occasionally in some games but more often than not we are devoid of ideas in the opposition 20m area and our last tackle option i.e. our kicking, is telegraphed or poorly executed giving sides 7 tackle sets and allowing them to march us down the field.

I accept that there have been victories but a lot of the time those have been eked out, difficult to watch come backs or occasions when we have been treated to an outstanding performance from our talisman, Big Dave.

If anyone has watched us play week in and week out since John Kear left and does think that there are major issues with our attack then they must be watching a different Trinity team to me. I do not know whether the issue is because John was responsible for our attack or whether Chris has had to take on too much of the coaching responsibility but I pinpoint the gradual demise in the attacking side of our game to when John left the club. The injuries I have mentioned above have obviously played their part and I accept that it is difficult to develop consistency and fluidity when the team sheet is changing on a weekly basis but we cannot keep raising that as an excuse for poor attack management. We need to have a system of attacking play (along the lines of a Saints, Castleford, Huddersfield/Salford) which is ingrained into the training regime of the club at every level and which all the players have to buy into. It won’t happen overnight but we now have what is effectively an extended pre-season to try things out and put things in place to make sure that we can compete next season in both defence and, crucialy, attack. If steps are not taken now to sort out our attack then I really fear for next season.

For me, we need to be looking at the teams that have historically been in the same place as we are in i.e. Salford, Huddersfield and (going back a little further) Castleford, to see what those clubs have done to transform their fortunes and in particular their attacking play. At Castleford Daryl came along and introduced a brand of attack which was the envy of other Super league clubs – yes you can point to the fact that he has not won any trophies but I would give my right leg to turn up and watch Wakey play the way that Cas do – ouch that hurt but it is the truth. One of the reasons for their success was until recently, whether you like him or not, the Cas playmaker Luke Gale. If you look at Salford, a club very similar to ours in a number of aspects, Watson has had them playing decent attacking rugby for two/three seasons now and the current and former Salford Halfbacks of Tui Lolohea and Jackson Hastings have played no small part in that success. With Huddersfield, it took Woolford a bit of time to replace Broughy but he has introduced Sezer and has got the Giants to play some great attacking rugby.

The common denominators to the attack management adopted by these clubs are an attack minded coach and a midfield general who can work the team around the park. Looking at our club, it seems to me that we may have a coach who has too much on his plate to devote the time required to develop our attack and we have no half back who can control a game but frankly I am not close enough to the club so cannot comment. On the midfield general, I am not convinced that any of Milky, Ryan or Max are the answer but I suspect the club will use our extended pre-season to find out. The Gigot signing was a bit baffling because I’m not sure a full back come centre come winger come half back is the answer. Without knowing the financials and availability of players, it is difficult to say whether we can bring in what is required but you do not necessarily have to flash the cash – look at what Liam Finn did for us.

The likes of Castleford, Salford and Huddersfield have found an attacking formula that is exciting to watch and, crucially, also wins games. I don’t see why we cannot look at how they play then first replicate it and then try and improve on it.

There is also another very good reason to make sure that our attack is firing on all cylinders. Winning games is obviously key but fans want to see their team playing an expansive and open attacking team because it puts bums on seats which for a club like ours has to be a priority. I have talked about those games where we have eked out victories but on those days I have often left the ground thinking great we have the win but feeling really frustrated that we’ve done it ugly and there must be another way to doing it. I think there is and more importantly I think that if we don’t sort the attack out we will be facing relegation again next year.

Well like you been watching a long long time, was at the Keighley debacle when half the team got sent off, hull at the height of our financial difficulties when half the team declined to play, catalan in the Paul Shorpe era but - to get real we have won 4 out of the last 26 games. With our first choice team we conceded 24 points in the first 20 odd minutes. Our lack of attacking ideas thereafter I can live with due to the injuries.

For me what makes this all so frustrating is the fact we seem to have assembled probably our best squad since we entered super league.

With the exception of Finn this same two years ago were playing free flowing attacking rugby - albeit inconsistent.

I can live with losing but not with a defence that’s lacking any organisation and very little effort. We played to lose yesterday, it’s hard to single out any one individual but there are several players including a couple of so called fans who need to take a long hard look at themselves

I stopped reading all that as soon as I got to the bit about Sezer being the major difference at Hudds, as he has done sweet fanny Adams IMO, Gaskell has been the better half and they missed him more yesterday then the 20mins they were without sezer.
People need to realise that this season is a write off in all sense of the word bar 4 or 5 clubs who have a chance, the rest are all bit players. Plus with all this BLM shizzle from last week and the fact there are currently 9 SL payers testing positive for C-19 then things really need to be put in to perspective.
Just watch the season out, none of us are any worse of than we were yesterday morning, there's more important things going on in the world and on our doorstep

Chester should have gone last season before he ever put us in the position of nearly being relegated. As others have said, this season is a write off with no relegation, so why not use the opportunity to get rid of the deadwood (players and coaches) and start afresh giving the opportunity to young players in a safer (in league position terms) place for the rest of the season.

Putting the youngsters in always sounds good in theory but, they need to be drip fed into a side that is playing well.
Just throwing them in, hoping for improvement, wont help the side and more importantly, wont help the kids.

Our forwards were bullied out of the game yesterday.
Do you think throwing 19/20 year old's into that kind of game will help anyone?

Hopefully there will be some opportunities for Chester to have a look at all of the squad and some of the young up and coming players as the season progresses.

There are sure to be some changes for next week just to cover injuries but, if the 17 players go with the same attitude as yesterday, it will be the same result (or worse).

100% with the youngsters bit, we will be sure to mass more injuries than what we have now. I just hope we get a good dressing down, good weeks training and not least a good look at ourselves, man up and go again next weekend on a fresh piece of paper.

FWIW CC is probably coming to the end of his time at the club. Poor lads had no luck at all in the last 18 month but all the same unless you are an exceptional coach or a coach at a club with exceptional resources then 4-5 years is pretty much the limit.

We simply don’t have enough players capable of self motivation, quite a few are borderline SL standard. CC has probably got us much out of them as he could. It’s a simple economic truth that 2 years ago we were on the brink of being good. At that point we needed to replace Finn and a few others with some real quality. We simply couldn’t because we don’t have the cash and more importantly we don’t have the draw.

We’ve gone state it’s that simple. We have more quality than I’ve seen but we don’t have any leaders on the field.

I saw this with Toppo and Kear and it would of happened to Kelly. We simply can’t make the leap and haven’t been able too since the sixties. As an aside we are an unlucky club and have been since 68, gypsies curse they say but whatever the reason it’s painful reading.

CC will probably not see out the season. Sad because I think there is an excellent coach in there. I know some folk will shout about Watson at Salford but his time will come. Coaches who have lasted longer than 5 years at any club are rare, it’s just how it is, even in the sainted NRL.

This is all based on previous experience and I would love to be proved wrong I really would. The team currently needs a rocket up it bum and generally it’s very difficult for the incumbent coach to find let alone light the fuse.

Again hope I’m eating my words in a few weeks, it would certainly brighten up an otherwise dreadful year.

that Catalan team yesterday were far fitter, faster, stronger, they were hungry and enthusiastic to smash us to bits. We’ve got some decent backs with pace but the way our pack is playing we could have the full Aussie back line and it would be the same.
We built a big pack and we never use what we’ve got, we’ve got to take them on down the middle hard and straight and get on top. We’ve forwards chucking balls out all over the place, it’s so frustrating, we’ve our best prop on the bench get him on the field. We can’t afford to have back rowers just stood out wide against a pack like just passing on like a centre.
Like I say we’ve got big forwards so change the structure and play to them, we we’re crap last week, Wigan had a young inexperienced pack and we should of took them on and bullied them but no change of tactics and we got bullied. Clearly playing the same way over and over and over again isn’t working

il always thought Chris Chester was a very intelligent player and there might be a good coach in there but he’s unwilling to change tactics and adapt and this will prove his downfall

We haven't had a side which is playing well in a couple of seasons now, just the odd lucky win. There's nothing to lose by removing the lazy senior players and replacing them with someone who might have a spark of desire to win about them.

Under the current coach, there's little to no chance of them seeing any progression, he's more interested in keeping his golfing buddies sweet than developing the squad

A win rate over the recent history of 20% is not good enough. We survived last season by winning the final game and this season it will be because there is no relegation. It is not just yesterday’s game but the fact that our performances have deteriorated in both defence and attack since Leeds away. We do not appear to have any pre planned moves and despite the warning in the first minute we were unable to adjust our defence to cover the gaps.
The bottom line is that we are just poor and not once did I see Chester make any attempt to pass on instructions during the game.
I know that the majority of the forum will continue to pay and watch however the team play but it is not us the club need to consider but those that do not buy season tickets, join the club draw or adopt a player who need to be entertained preferably by Wakefield not the opposition. In many ways they were lucky yesterday because there were no supporters who I am sure would have made their feelings felt quite loudly.

Going to get shot down .The reason why we are looking so bad this season is that Teams in S L were allowed to dump players who are past it or not good enough ,on to us to free up money for this season Not one but 8 players who would have not got in to our first team last year ,all over seen by the coaching staff .With these signings They have taken us back 5 years .Feel so sorry for the Chairman and Mr Carter they are watching the excellent work they have done been destroyed by a very poor coaching staff .