Well done to the players for taking a common sense view to this issue.
Well done to the club for not putting any pressure on players to take the knee.
I too hate racism of any form and I abhor what our ancestors did regarding slavery, but as it was all a little before my time fail to see what I personally can do about it now, except express regret for what WAS done generations ago, (concerning the UK) and express disgust that it still does go on in some parts of the world.

Surely actions matter more than gestures.
What is the point of "taking the knee" if you have any sympathy with racist actions whilst not "taking the knee" but living a non racist life is very much to be applauded.
"taking the knee" has become part of our current gesture politics and so far hasn't achieved anything tangible. So, at what point in the future will people decide that a gesture is pointless unless backed by positive action and if the positive action takes place, the gesture becomes pointless.
In reality, racism in some form or other will be endemic in society for ever. When do we decide that not "taking the knee" would be possible?

Tbh what I find more unbelievable is that whole teams from every other club did, there’s a curious form of facism inherent to this and many ways to express support anti racism other than this.

I actually don’t believe in defunding the police, advocating self policing by the community , restitution for historic inequities etc. so find it very strange that people who would suffer greatly - eg 99 percent of the UK population.

And before anyone gets on their high horse my grandfather was enslaved by bevan from 1939 to 1948, moved from his home and family with his only alternative to going being jail, if we are talking about colour we have suffered and seen significant racism both deliberate and institutionally.

For all of that I believe in free speech and universal and even application of the law

Well said

Yet strangely you don’t find it strange tha 17 players do take the knee. Incredible double standard and a disgusting attempt to slur individuals. Why on earth would the club be bothered either way, MC has never shown any political bias either way. Really poor of you.

Quote: Kirmudgeonly "I actually don’t believe in defunding the police, '" Almost anyone who took any time to look at what that actually means in its American context would support it - it means removing from Police the budgets which require them to deal with mental health, opiods and reallocating that budget to people who can actually deal with them (like in the UK). It would also stop them wasting money on the sort of ridiculousely inappropriate military equipment that American police forces love to unveil - https://twitter.com/JBaker_WTOV/status/ ... 3510242308 In a UK context defund the Police is largely meaningless.

Quote: Kirmudgeonly "I actually don’t believe in defunding the police, '" Almost anyone who took any time to look at what that actually means in its American context would support it - it means removing from Police the budgets which require them to deal with mental health, opiods and reallocating that budget to people who can actually deal with them (like in the UK). It would also stop them wasting money on the sort of ridiculousely inappropriate military equipment that American police forces love to unveil - https://twitter.com/JBaker_WTOV/status/ ... 3510242308 In a UK context defund the Police is largely meaningless.

I felt really proud of the players and the club yesterday seeing their unity in standing together whilst also being given the freedom to kneel should they wish to. I thought the statement condemning all forms of racism and prejudice was very powerful too. I think the BLM movement is political and to see individuals shamed and bullied when they don't conform to the knee is awful. Well done Trinity.

A credit to your club.

Hopefully the other clubs can follow your lead.

The rugby league and Super league knew this would be divisive, so I'd question why they went along with it. Was it purposely to cause division? Or was their hand forced by higher ups?

This where we differ on this Vasty.
The Black Lives Matter may be an organisation and that group may have some people I don't like at all...... But BLM is first and foremost a campaign to stop unnecessary violence against black people. Started with just a hashtag.
It's been hijacked just the same as Union Flag and St George's Cross by the far right.
I am proud to wear them but I'm sometimes uncomfortable when I see people use them for different reasons..... Just like BLM.

I am very much behind the initiative by Sky but I have to say its being pushed so hard it will lose some of the point. The interviews before the game are excellent. The big flags everywhere and the badge near the score are a bit unnecessary imho.

So taking your argument then it makes sense at the next game for us all to wear Union Jack shirts with shaved heads etc etc but that wouldn’t be far right or racist It’s just about pride in our British roots ? Hmmm

As regards the 2013 tweet that was about violence against black Americans by. American police and had been politically hi jacked by the anarchists a long time before it ever appeared in Western Europe .

I think you’re being incredibly generous. How can you be sure? I be searched and the information is scant. BLM is at best an umbrella term under which a number of groups operate. For example there appears to be no substantive link between the original US group from a few years back and those operating in the U.K.

I can’t find an official committee just loose affiliations and alleged spokes persons. I can’t find any evidence of any elected bodies and thus I can’t find a mandate. By every definition of a democratic representative organisation they fail. The EDL is more transparent and democratic than BLM.

It is not a charity and it’s not registered with the electoral commission. It represents nobody as far as I can see, the U.K. version is nothing more than mouthpiece for a collection of dodgy radicals.

I’ve never seen our biased media ever ask what I would call an average black persons if BLM represents them, why not? Because they don’t most black people would prefer to achieve there political agendas through the existing political structure, yet again though that doesn’t fit the left wing narrative.

Would you be happy if Tommy Robinson claimed he represented you? By the logic of BLM he would be well within his rights to do so. You simply can’t argue that to the EDL white lives definitely matter.

Both groups represent the very worse of ghetto politics, why credit one with more validity than the other. Both are racist, both flirt with violence, both have no mandate and both skirt just above being illegal.