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Quote: PopTart "Nah. You can't blame this one on Chester. Apart from thinking he was worth a punt in the first place.'"


Don’t forget this is the same person who thought Hampshire would be better at Huddersfield.

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Quote: Scarlet Pimpernell "Don’t forget this is the same person who thought Hampshire would be better at Huddersfield.'"


He's the same person who decided if he didn't want to play for us on the contract that he was offered then he might be better getting someone in who does.
You can spin it how you like but Pauli is getting exactly the results his effort deserved.
He would have been a liability today. Tanginoa, Kirmond and Batch were all over the place.

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Quote: PopTart "Nah. You can't blame this one on Chester. Apart from thinking he was worth a punt in the first place.'"


Yup i don’t get the Chester using him properly stuff. Truth is that last year PP was fine, not brilliant but very useful. This year he arrived back physical mess and for reasons well known not mentally right either.

However CC is a coach not a social worker and ditto Clawson who may or may not be a great conditioner but still require the player to offer some input!

This year PP has had loads of opportunity and refused to compete, that is no ones fault but his, there has to be some level of personal responsibility.

PP just doesn’t fit, it happens, we move on. He may go on to be a Salford legend though I seriously doubt that but his time with the Trin is done. Sad because it could have been great but there are others out there let’s start looking.

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Quote: Fishermanscap "Yup i don’t get the Chester using him properly stuff. Truth is that last year PP was fine, not brilliant but very useful. This year he arrived back physical mess and for reasons well known not mentally right either.

However CC is a coach not a social worker and ditto Clawson who may or may not be a great conditioner but still require the player to offer some input!

This year PP has had loads of opportunity and refused to compete, that is no ones fault but his, there has to be some level of personal responsibility.

PP just doesn’t fit, it happens, we move on. He may go on to be a Salford legend though I seriously doubt that but his time with the Trin is done. Sad because it could have been great but there are others out there let’s start looking.'"
100 percent agree with this , he is a professional sportsman and that means being in shape. Yesterday we saw a team fighting for their livelihoods giving it all they had _ never saw this from Pauli not once.

As regards using him correctly Chester tried - used him as a prop, used him playing long minutes out wide, used him in short bursts. Basically he got worse not better.

Your right I don’t know what he earns or what’s been said - but I do know that rather than losing weight over course of season he put it on , that he was boosing in town.

If you want to see what it means putting on the red white and blue - have a look at big dave s twitter feed

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Quote: Kirmudgeonly "100 percent agree with this , he is a professional sportsman and that means being in shape. Yesterday we saw a team fighting for their livelihoods giving it all they had _ never saw this from Pauli not once.

As regards using him correctly Chester tried - used him as a prop, used him playing long minutes out wide, used him in short bursts. Basically he got worse not better.

Your right I don’t know what he earns or what’s been said - but I do know that rather than losing weight over course of season he put it on , that he was boosing in town.

If you want to see what it means putting on the red white and blue - have a look at big dave s twitter feed'"


Exactly this re Pauli

Chester has tried using him in every way possible and I bet Pauli has being given every chance too

Looked at Dave’s twitter feed absolutely brilliant scenes
Note that Pauli isn’t there too

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The idea of using PP as a second row was just silly. The only way to use PP is how Salford used him, impact prop of the bench, defending in the middle not having to make defensive reads and one on one tackles. In attack they just had him following Hastings. Last season Hampshire put him through for a few tries off little short soft passes close to the line. We have used him incorrectly and all decisions made were by our coaching staff. All that said I still do not think he is worth a overseas quota spot in any SL team because his defense is just not good enough. He seems , from the outside , as a really relaxed happy chap. He is only young so I hope he enjoys his time at Salford, goes well for them and is happy in life. One thing for sure Watson the Salford coach along with Ward at London must be the only contenders for coach of the year so you must think that Watson will get the best out of PP. If the Saints coach gets coach of the year it will be a travesty,

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Watson and Ward should definitely be in contention for coach of the year.
Not sure how Salford will go next year, after adding Rowley to their coaching staff.

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Quote: FickleFingerOfFate "Watson and Ward should definitely be in contention for coach of the year.
Not sure how Salford will go next year, after adding Rowley to their coaching staff.'"


It's a tight call as to which of those 2 coaches deserves the gong.
London were tipped to be easy beats and have exceeded all expectations but Salford, tipped by many to be 10th/11th have a real chance of making the play offs and that is without the services of one of their star players, Lui, who fell for the bright lights of Leeds.
Watson seems really calm when in front of the cameras and I dont recall seeing him rattled, although I've no idea how he is behind the scenes.

Both Watson and Ward always seem to have a decent plan on how to play different opponents and ok, it may not always come off but, both are getting the max out of their respective squads.

Getting back to Pauli, I agree with Belly that we have tried to turn him into a different player and it absolutely hasn't worked.
Worth noting that his record during his loan spell at Salford far exceeded what he had managed with us.

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Pauli is lazy his half attempts at tackles are ridiculous, good riddance from me he is / was unfortunately a failed project. shouldve stayed with Salford and not come back, shame we couldn't get a decent swap when he was there icon_biggrin.gif

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Quote: wrencat1873 "Getting back to Pauli, I agree with Belly that we have tried to turn him into a different player and it absolutely hasn't worked.'"


I don't buy this at all. What we've tried to do with PP is have him behave like a pro athlete, and deliver value - and he's refused to do that; a few short range tries for Salford doesn't change anything.

For me, he's another of those players with all the gear and no idea, and proof positive that it's no use giving it to the big lad if the big lad is bone idle, hung over and can't really be ar5ed. Nothing we can do will fix his slovenly attitude to his own performance.

Get rid - move on.

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Quote: FickleFingerOfFate "Watson and Ward should definitely be in contention for coach of the year.'"


It's a tricky one. You'd expect Justin Holbrook, because Saints have been in a different league, but Ward and Watson have exceeded expectations.

BUT, it will come down to the last weekend. Can you give coach of the year to the relegated coach, just on the basis that they did better than expected? Or to a coach who "almost" got their team into the play-offs? If London stayed up, however, Danny Ward would deserve it.

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Sorry do not agree about Ward for coach of year,he as done ok and managed to stay injury free with the players, think that's down to the conditioner. Think the G 4 patch as helped .Notice how how much the ball bounces with out a lot of force behind the ball , it's a big advantage if you playing on it every home game. Do not know what kind of money he as had to spend ,but remember wie are no were near the salaiy cap . As said he as done ok

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Quote: alegend "Sorry do not agree about Ward for coach of year,he as done ok and managed to stay injury free with the players, think that's down to the conditioner. Think the G 4 patch as helped .Notice how how much the ball bounces with out a lot of force behind the ball , it's a big advantage if you playing on it every home game. Do not know what kind of money he as had to spend ,but remember wie are no were near the salaiy cap . As said he as done ok'"


Think that is a bit harsh, its clear to see the work that Ward has done in analysing the teams London have come up against and how he has tactically changed his game plan for every game more or less to target weaknesses in teams, to answer your question about the spend, who knows? But he only had a few additions from his championship team! That said, it would be quite ironic to give the coach of the year to a coach who has had his team relegated (Looking likely) with this being a results business, unfortunately it would be seen as Ward has failed.

Also I would not say we are "No were near the salary cap" we were 340k below at the beginning of the season.

Since then we have signed Tanginoa, MCB (Albeit has now gone) Tangata, Atkins and taken Escare and Green on loan and let go Huby and Hirst, so we are probably not as far off as you think.

For me coach of the year would go to Watson, especially if Salford make that top 5.

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Quote: bren2k "I don't buy this at all. What we've tried to do with PP is have him behave like a pro athlete, and deliver value - and he's refused to do that; a few short range tries for Salford doesn't change anything.

For me, he's another of those players with all the gear and no idea, .'"


Its quite remarkable only two years ago he played his first game at HKR and despite strapping and leg supports he received a standing ovation from the fans after the game - that was probably the high point of his time with us.

As most of us think we would rather see local lads given it a 110 percent than a potential star giving it 80% - personally dont think he will do much at salford either - after all he was playing to secure a contract

Thought one of the many reasons we have all taken big dave and tiny to our hearts was shown this weekend when they were sat in the stands with the fans

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Quote: homme vaste "Think that is a bit harsh, its clear to see the work that Ward has done in analysing the teams London have come up against and how he has tactically changed his game plan for every game more or less to target weaknesses in teams, to answer your question about the spend, who knows? But he only had a few additions from his championship team! That said, it would be quite ironic to give the coach of the year to a coach who has had his team relegated (Looking likely) with this being a results business, unfortunately it would be seen as Ward has failed.

Also I would not say we are "No were near the salary cap" we were 340k below at the beginning of the season.

Since then we have signed Tanginoa, MCB (Albeit has now gone) Tangata, Atkins and taken Escare and Green on loan and let go Huby and Hirst, so we are probably not as far off as you think.

For me coach of the year would go to Watson, especially if Salford make that top 5.'"


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