That's clearly not the point. I certainly havn't claimed any of our players to be excellent.

Belly states Widnes have a number of excellent players - I dispute that - I don't see what you don't get.

For the record and based on current/recent form we do have a few players who might creep into the excellent bracket at this moment - they are Tupou, BJB, Finn and Arona with Jihnstone and Fifita warming uou - I don't think Widnes have anything comprable at the moment.

Or at least lets hope not because we want those points.

I guess everyone`s benchmark for been excellent is different. It`s down to opinion at the end of the day.

On a similar note the Sky team are guilty of over hyping players constantly.. Paul Cooke was branded "World class" because he threw a decent pass once back in 2005.

I think I've read that Cahill is out tomorrow.

Yep, he is. Big miss for them IMO.

So Vasty your chum at Widnes must agree that Hanbury, Inu, Dudson, Houston, Whitley and Cahill can be regarded as excellent players. I would add Mellor and Gilmore to that list and would describe Mellor as a superb player. Its a joy to watch him play and when you consider the journey he has been on : cut by Wigan, knee surgeries etc then you simply have to admire is determination and rejoice in his success. I would also say that Dean, Olbison, Burke and Marsh are all good SL players.

Correct Belly. Mellor is an extremely talented player and his pairing with Gilmore can cause lots of problems for teams.
Yes, I think Mellor is EXCELLENT regardless of what some winkers feel.
I think it will be a tight game again but of course I hope we put them to the sword.

So people who don't rate Mellor are winkers. grow up.

So you think this is Mellor do you

Dictionary definition
1.extremely good; outstanding.
"the lorry was in excellent condition"
synonyms: very good, superb, outstanding, magnificent, of high quality, of the highest quality, of the highest standard, exceptional, marvellous, wonderful, sublime, perfect, eminent, pre-eminent, matchless, peerless, supreme, first-rate, first-class, superior, superlative,

27292 posts, people may come to the conclusion you are self opinionated.
meaning
"having and expressing very strong feelings and beliefs, and believing that your own ideas are the only correct ones"

You can say what you like about Vasty, and many do, but he certainly does not opt, unlike so many people in the modern world, to reside in an echo chamber, where he only interacts with people who share his thoughts and opinions.

Maybe it's not that scientific, and he's just an argumentative old git?

Either way, I'd like to make him uncomfortable by agreeing that that list of 'excellent' Widnes players is mostly poppycock; I rate Inu (situationally, because he's lazy) and Hanbury - the rest are, like many of our squad, average SL players, in which case the points of difference are very much around coaching and how the team as a whole out-performs the sum of its parts.

Maybe it's not that scientific, and he's just an argumentative old git?

correct

If you reserve the word excellent for players like Gilmore and Dudson then what word do we use for the likes of Cameron Smith and Billy Slater?

World Class?

Some people man...