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Quote: vastman "Give it a rest will you and have pop at someone else, he was asking for it in his actual post! and he got it - we are all functioning adults on here so I'm sure he's big enough and ugly enough to fight his own corner or am I missing something.

I realise you're a mod as we all do but are we really in such a controlled environment that we can't express ourselves as relatively tamely as that?

No need to ban me just tell me and I'll not bother posting - Maybe it's me and I'm out of step with this particular forum which you now clearly run, I accept that, you win some you lose some - I'm not sulking trust me but if this is how it's going to be I'd rather not bother and retire the "Vastman" legend with some dignity.

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Vasty, you post some great points on here and many of us like reading them and discussing them, but if you start the name calling it will carry on through the thread and no one will then enjoy posing on it any more. It's as much for your benefit as anyone else's.
I'm not the only mod and there is no 'running' the forum, just moderating the extremes.

Go back and check your posts. More than 50% are either name calling or arguing about something not related to the thread. You get a lot of leeway but that is too much. Reign it in and we'll all get along just fine.

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Well said Pop Tart.

I sometimes refer to this as the "Vastman Forum" rather than the "Wakefield forum" because that is how it feels at times. I see a very sensitive poster who at times makes great posts then other times takes things very personally or is on a crusade to impose his view.

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Reece Lyne for me is simply a confidence player in the same ilk as what Peter fox was, creating an inconsistent player, though fox had an outstanding season or two. He's frustrating because he has the physical attributes to create a good solid centre like a Watkins or Atkins. One thing I have noticed is that he has lost that bit of pace, at one point I'd pray for him to get the opportunity to break, but recently seems to get run down, though that may be due to him bulking up from when he first came. Realistically though if he was everything we wanted him to be he would probably not be with us very long as quality British centres are a rare commodity. What's more I wish Reece all the best for the forth coming season and hope he can finally find that consistency.

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I agree here Pat, I'm a Cas fan but stuck up for him on here in his early days. He had the physique and raw pace that no amount of training will give to a slow player. His skills gradually improved but like you I thought he lost some pace last season. Could this be some thing to do with the training methods as it was very noticeable last week how easily Rangi ran down BJB as well.
Reece has always reminded me a bit of McGillvary at Shudds and I wonder if he would be a better winger than centre.

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Quote: newgroundb4wakey "I agree here Pat, I'm a Cas fan but stuck up for him on here in his early days. He had the physique and raw pace that no amount of training will give to a slow player. His skills gradually improved but like you I thought he lost some pace last season. Could this be some thing to do with the training methods as it was very noticeable last week how easily Rangi ran down BJB as well.
Reece has always reminded me a bit of McGillvary at Shudds and I wonder if he would be a better winger than centre.'"

Think we have tried him on the wing but to no provail. Boxing day perfectly highlighted Reece for me. He made great breaks but then fluffed 2/3 tries. Think I heard when he was younger most teams throughout super league and NRL were after his signature (think I read it on here).

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I think Reece has all the physical attributes to be a top notch centre, but he seems to lack conviction in what he does on the rugby pitch. The biggest problem for me is that he doesn't seem to read the game very well in defence and frequently makes bad plays in defence. Cats exploited this in the first half of the friendly, admittedly not all Reece's fault but he does have to take some responsibility. For me Reece has to step up now and have a quality start to the season, we've enough centres at the club that theres no reason for one that isn't performing (which happens over the course of a season and I'm not just applying this to Lynne but to Tupou, Arundel and Gibson also) to keep starting.

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Quote: 4foxsake ", we've enough centres at the club that theres no reason for one that isn't performing (which happens over the course of a season and I'm not just applying this to Lynne but to Tupou, Arundel and Gibson also) to keep starting.'"


Arundel might be a slight threat to Lyne's place in the team but Gibson's really light years behind.

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Quote: Wollo-Wollo-Wollo-Wayoo "Arundel might be a slight threat to Lyne's place in the team but Gibson's really light years behind.'"

Agree with most of this but I think Gibson needs a bit more time, what with the injury last season and lack of games to up his confidence, he run the ball in better as the game went on at Fev. Joe is a strong kid and withstands the tackle better but Reece I believe is quicker and more chance of breaking the line. CC and JK have a bit of a headache for selection as they have in a few other positions. A nice headache to have for a change eusa_think.gif

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for me both lyne and bjb are not super league standard centres - maybe a spot on the wing for one of them.

topou and Arndell for round 1 for me

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Whose picked BJB at centre? As for Lyne, well that dummy against Salford where he sent Obrien to the car park was top class - but that's a rarity.

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I'd rather see Lyne in the team than not. He's a bigger threat than the rest of our backs with the exception of Johnstone.

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It's interesting now they've starting the dream team what prices each player costs
Arundel £120000
Lyne £115000
Tupou £105000
Gibson £85000

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Quote: Wollo-Wollo-Wollo-Wayoo "Arundel might be a slight threat to Lyne's place in the team but Gibson's really light years behind.'"
Cant agree. Gibson looked our best centre till his injury last season and our purple patch was largely with him and Arundel as our centres as I recall. None of our centres are ideal in my view. Some have strengths where others are weak but Gibson looked the most rounded player to me

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Quote: charlie63wildcat "Some have strengths where others are weak but Gibson looked the most rounded player to me'"


This preseason I would describe him as flat.

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I do agree Gibson is good but he was only a short part of the winning run.
Didn't he play against Hull (after Arundal got injured I think) and was then injured in the next game against Widnes, when Tupou came back in for him.

I may have the exact number of games wrong there but it seems to have been forgotten how well we handled our centres being injured one after another through that period. We did pretty well handling it compared to some teams who just bemoaned their losses and used it as an excuse.

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