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| Quote: vastman "Although I totally agree that the 2004 team was the best SL team (imo the best I've seen in 30 years of supporting) I don't however agree about Domic and Solomona who show more than any other signings we've ever made what a gamble it can be. I have no reason to not believe that for example Fifita wont find his inner Andrew or that Johnstone won't move on to being the most lethal winger in the game which IMHO would make them just as special as Domic and even Solomona all be it in different ways.
Solomona was a rising star 18 month previous to joining us then his form dipped dramatically and he was playing reserve grade by late 2003. The main reason we got him was because everyone else had forgotten about him. Though it raised eyebrows most considered him a maverick and a big risk.
Domic was considered a bit of a sick note when he left Warrington and was considered an OK signing at best.
Along with a virtualy unknown JD these signings tranformed what was mainly the 2003 team who were basically a poor (2nd from bottom) outfit into a machine. Added to this we had a one season wonder coach as opposed to a one season wonder team which IMO is why we never kicked on.
The 2004 team wasn't just great to watch it gives you hope as to just how quickly things can change for the better and the worse which isn't so good. Wakefield are like a number of SL teams, it wouldn't take much to turn it around. Despite Belly's Cas obsession they are exactly the same only difference is that they risk going the other way now. Good teams at clubs like ours are very short lived and soon get picked over if the momentumn starts to fade even momentarily.
Sam Williams, Catton-Brown, Hirst, Woods etc may all turn out to be inspired but they may not and the 2004 team proves that. Anyone who was around in 2004 and states that they knew that would be a great team is a liar, we all expected another relegation battle. So now we do the only thing as fans we can do, support and encourage the lads and cross our fingers. ![]()
I generally know better than to pick you up on stuff, but you're wrong here. There was some genuine excitement about the 2004 side and I, for one, was over the moon at signing Domic (ask Eric Timmons), whilst I knew little of Solomona other than getting wrapped up in the soundings of people like yourself who had seen him play.
I would also agree that 2010 beckoned to be a great year and it was so frustrating the way it dwindled.
2017 looks well, but it won't be all that if we can't sort the remaining issues in the squad, including the Hooking role. The halves, three quarters and generally the back row are sorted and there is much to look forward to, but we are short of numbers in the front row in this modern era where 20 games is a good return. Just a couple more players could really get us something to rave about though!
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| Quote: TRB "I generally know better than to pick you up on stuff, but you're wrong here. There was some genuine excitement about the 2004 side and I, for one, was over the moon at signing Domic (ask Eric Timmons), whilst I knew little of Solomona other than getting wrapped up in the soundings of people like yourself who had seen him play.
I would also agree that 2010 beckoned to be a great year and it was so frustrating the way it dwindled.
2017 looks well, but it won't be all that if we can't sort the remaining issues in the squad, including the Hooking role. The halves, three quarters and generally the back row are sorted and there is much to look forward to, but we are short of numbers in the front row in this modern era where 20 games is a good return. Just a couple more players could really get us something to rave about though!'"
There may well have been some excitement but I don't think anyone was expecting a genuine top 6 team that came within inches of winning two play off games that's the point.
This team is a team that could do similar or the opposite - with clubs like us it's so hard to predict but at least thanks to the 2004 team we at least know it's possible. |
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| Quote: TRB "I generally know better than to pick you up on stuff, but you're wrong here. There was some genuine excitement about the 2004 side and I, for one, was over the moon at signing Domic (ask Eric Timmons), whilst I knew little of Solomona other than getting wrapped up in the soundings of people like yourself who had seen him play.
I would also agree that 2010 beckoned to be a great year and it was so frustrating the way it dwindled.
2017 looks well, but it won't be all that if we can't sort the remaining issues in the squad, including the Hooking role. The halves, three quarters and generally the back row are sorted and there is much to look forward to, but we are short of numbers in the front row in this modern era where 20 games is a good return. Just a couple more players could really get us something to rave about though!'"
There may well have been some excitement but I don't think anyone was expecting a genuine top 6 team that came within inches of winning two play off games that's the point.
This team is a team that could do similar or the opposite - with clubs like us it's so hard to predict but at least thanks to the 2004 team we at least know it's possible. |
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Think the 2004 team was the fittest we've had in super league. Geoff evans was the conditioner if im right. We would be outlasting teams and running full tilt in the last half hour. Think a big reason it went downhill in 2005 was Evans left and was replaced with a body builder (Trypass), that and the Ellis saga and Julien oneil made for a crap season. Imagine if wed of kicked on eh
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| Quote: vastman "There may well have been some excitement but I don't think anyone was expecting a genuine top 6 team that came within inches of winning two play off games that's the point.
This team is a team that could do similar or the opposite - with clubs like us it's so hard to predict but at least thanks to the 2004 team we at least know it's possible.'"
Okay okay I got it first time! 
Fair comments though! |
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| Quote: kavos wildcat "Think the 2004 team was the fittest we've had in super league. Geoff evans was the conditioner if im right. We would be outlasting teams and running full tilt in the last half hour. Think a big reason it went downhill in 2005 was Evans left and was replaced with a body builder (Trypass), that and the Ellis saga and Julien oneil made for a crap season. Imagine if wed of kicked on eh'"
Easily the fittest. We used to go in at HT with fairly even scorelines and then blow teams away in the second half. |
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Gary Schofield talks nonsense......predicting Trinity will finish 11th and saying the following...
Last year they had a great season, and the appointment of Chris Chester was a masterstroke because if Brian Smith had stayed they’d now be in the Championship. The halfbacks worked well for them last year and I think they need to keep faith in them. They don’t have the biggest pack of forwards, but they do well at home and they’ll pick up enough points at Belle Vue to keep them off the bottom.
Don't have the biggest forwards?
David Fifita 6 foot 4 tall 18 1/2 stone
Anthony England 6 foot 4 tall 17 1/2 stone
Keegan Hirst 6 foot 4 tall 18 stone
Anthony Walker 6 foot tall 16 1/2 stone
Danny Kirmond 6 foot 1 tall 16 stone
Johnny Molloy 6 foot 2 tall 16 stone
Tinirau Arona 5 foot 11 tall 16 stone
Matty Ashurst 6 foot 2 tall 15 1/2 stone
This doesn't include a possible Mitchell Allgood 6 foot 4 tall 17 stone or Craig Huby 6 foot 2 tall 17 stone...As for his comments about 'keeping faith with the same half backs' we have also made one of the best possible signings in Sam Williams who has to be one of the first on the team sheet at scrum half.
If Trinity sign Allgood and Huby it's worth a press release like Giants did a couple of years ago emphasising that they had one of the biggest packs in Super League but Trinity can in addition to a big pack also emphasise that they also have one of the quickest back lines in Super League with Johnstone, Caton-Brown, Jones-Bishop, Lynne, Miller and Jowitt 
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Gary Schofield talks nonsense......predicting Trinity will finish 11th and saying the following...
Last year they had a great season, and the appointment of Chris Chester was a masterstroke because if Brian Smith had stayed they’d now be in the Championship. The halfbacks worked well for them last year and I think they need to keep faith in them. They don’t have the biggest pack of forwards, but they do well at home and they’ll pick up enough points at Belle Vue to keep them off the bottom.
Don't have the biggest forwards?
David Fifita 6 foot 4 tall 18 1/2 stone
Anthony England 6 foot 4 tall 17 1/2 stone
Keegan Hirst 6 foot 4 tall 18 stone
Anthony Walker 6 foot tall 16 1/2 stone
Danny Kirmond 6 foot 1 tall 16 stone
Johnny Molloy 6 foot 2 tall 16 stone
Tinirau Arona 5 foot 11 tall 16 stone
Matty Ashurst 6 foot 2 tall 15 1/2 stone
This doesn't include a possible Mitchell Allgood 6 foot 4 tall 17 stone or Craig Huby 6 foot 2 tall 17 stone...As for his comments about 'keeping faith with the same half backs' we have also made one of the best possible signings in Sam Williams who has to be one of the first on the team sheet at scrum half.
If Trinity sign Allgood and Huby it's worth a press release like Giants did a couple of years ago emphasising that they had one of the biggest packs in Super League but Trinity can in addition to a big pack also emphasise that they also have one of the quickest back lines in Super League with Johnstone, Caton-Brown, Jones-Bishop, Lynne, Miller and Jowitt
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| Quote: asmadasa "www.totalrl.com/garry-schofield-my-super-league-predictions/
Gary Schofield talks nonsense......predicting Trinity will finish 11th and saying the following...
Last year they had a great season, and the appointment of Chris Chester was a masterstroke because if Brian Smith had stayed they’d now be in the Championship. The halfbacks worked well for them last year and I think they need to keep faith in them. They don’t have the biggest pack of forwards, but they do well at home and they’ll pick up enough points at Belle Vue to keep them off the bottom.
Don't have the biggest forwards? ![]()
Schofield was a talented but lazy player and he's just carried that on in later life fuelling it with beer. He has a right to say what he wishes but no longer has any right to be taken seriously.
Problem is that assumptive attitudes and inability to check the facts is endemic in our game and is shown most graphically on the these forums where pre-concieved opinion rulse the day. Even some of our own fans seem to lack even the most basic grasps of what we have in our team and what it's possible capabilities are. Of course its all on paper for now and this team could easily prove to be a damp squib like so many others, no one can predict what will happen in that respect for now. However some things are certainties even on paper and size of players is one of them.
I share your frustrations on this issue, how difficult can it be to check the facts you half cut, bone idle waste of time - that's Schofield not you. Oh and anybody leaping to the once quite good footballers defence, I would say it to his face all be it slightly more politely.
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| Quote: vastman "Schofield was a talented but lazy player and he's just carried that on in later life fuelling it with beer. He has a right to say what he wishes but no longer has any right to be taken seriously.
Problem is that assumptive attitudes and inability to check the facts is endemic in our game and is shown most graphically on the these forums where pre-concieved opinion rulse the day. Even some of our own fans seem to lack even the most basic grasps of what we have in our team and what it's possible capabilities are. Of course its all on paper for now and this team could easily prove to be a damp squib like so many others, no one can predict what will happen in that respect for now. However some things are certainties even on paper and size of players is one of them.
I share your frustrations on this issue, how difficult can it be to check the facts you half cut, bone idle waste of time - that's Schofield not you. Oh and anybody leaping to the once quite good footballers defence, I would say it to his face all be it slightly more politely.'"
Agreed. Lazy journalism. Exciting times for Trinity with how this squad is shaping.. |
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Let him or anyone else talk all they want, one of our biggest assets for many years has been our opponents underestimating us due to ill informed preseason predictions by so called experts.
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| Quote: The Avenger "Let him or anyone else talk all they want, one of our biggest assets for many years has been our opponents underestimating us due to ill informed preseason predictions by so called experts.'"
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Attitude, fight, aggression are more important qualities for me than just sheer size. We have all watched great `smaller ` players at Trinity, Nigel Bell for example, the type of player who is always refereed to as playing a couple of stone above his weight. I did not see them play but legend and word of mouth advise that Don Vines and Rocky Turner were not big men, but they were men with massive hearts and plenty of aggression. Conversely we have all seen big men who just seem to lack that punch, that aggression, they never look like breaking a tackle, they just go through the motions. They are frustrating players to watch as we expect so much more from them. Its a joy when you get a big man with a bags of aggression, what a great site it was last season to see England and Fifita charging the ball up, like they wanted to do damage to anyone in their way, fantastic to watch. Darren Fritz was a fine example of this and in many ways Korki always looked the part as well.
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Fritz in full flight was a sight to behold, one of my all time fave players.
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| Quote: bellycouldtackle "Attitude, fight, aggression are more important qualities for me than just sheer size. We have all watched great `smaller ` players at Trinity, Nigel Bell for example, the type of player who is always refereed to as playing a couple of stone above his weight. I did not see them play but legend and word of mouth advise that Don Vines and Rocky Turner were not big men, but they were men with massive hearts and plenty of aggression. Conversely we have all seen big men who just seem to lack that punch, that aggression, they never look like breaking a tackle, they just go through the motions. They are frustrating players to watch as we expect so much more from them. Its a joy when you get a big man with a bags of aggression, what a great site it was last season to see England and Fifita charging the ball up, like they wanted to do damage to anyone in their way, fantastic to watch. Darren Fritz was a fine example of this and in many ways Korki always looked the part as well.'"
You can add Dave Hawley to that list,not that big but always gave 110% |
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| Quote: bellycouldtackle "Attitude, fight, aggression are more important qualities for me than just sheer size. We have all watched great `smaller ` players at Trinity, Nigel Bell for example, the type of player who is always refereed to as playing a couple of stone above his weight. I did not see them play but legend and word of mouth advise that Don Vines and Rocky Turner were not big men, but they were men with massive hearts and plenty of aggression. Conversely we have all seen big men who just seem to lack that punch, that aggression, they never look like breaking a tackle, they just go through the motions. They are frustrating players to watch as we expect so much more from them. Its a joy when you get a big man with a bags of aggression, what a great site it was last season to see England and Fifita charging the ball up, like they wanted to do damage to anyone in their way, fantastic to watch. Darren Fritz was a fine example of this and in many ways Korki always looked the part as well.'"
All very true Belly but remember the old adage "a good bigun will always beat a good smallun". Size most certainly isn't everything not even at prop but it is a massive advantage. |
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