Just cannot understand why 'Belly' is not the coach !

Bl**dy hell there is not much hope for this club if fans like you dismiss the teams best performances in years as "freak results", it was bad enough when everyone else was doing it. I bet the team are really chuffed to have this one chalked off by some keyboard warrior as a "freak" rather than a first step in the right direction.

We were playing some brilliant RL for the middle third of the season, but hey you just bin everybody's efforts nothing. Wigan are not so far ahead of us but they do have the bodies and thus they can maintain form which we can't, it's not rocket science.

If you do nothing else at least change your name, full of hope by backside - just another moaning negative Wakey fan. I don't blame the players for giving up to soon, after all it's only mirroring the attitude of people like you.

Again, that's just my opinion and I'm giving it freely and I don't really care anymore if it offends - please feel free to give me some back.

The problem with our fans is expectation has risen too high, with the mid season success we all enjoyed! The old line about fitness coach is just plain boring now...there has been absolutely nothing wrong with the fitness of the lads the last two matches....there was nothing wrong with the fitness when going over and winning in France in searing heat....

Our problem through our recent run was quite simply down to the injury crisis...is it any coincidence we've been far more competitive the last two matches when key components of our pack have slotted back into place? Grafters like Ashurst and Molloy have got back fit and healthy and there's been much needed go forward added to Fifita with Simon & Anderson back in...

No disrespect to the youngsters, or fringe players but through that tough period when there is 3 or 4 of a combination of youngsters and the likes of Yates, Walker, Walton in the pack then there has been the problem! When we've had what you would consider a strong and healthy squad on the park we've played pretty well on the whole...

That says to me the strength in depth isn't quite there yet and the nature of the modern game dictates that if you go into any game patched up you can quite easily be on the end of a hiding...62-0 against Wigan proves that....the strides we have made in the last 12 months though is staggering....the next step on the ladder to the slow process of turning us around is to build that quality of depth through shrewd signings and hopefully the likes of Crowther and Batchelor to name two, to step up to regular first team players like Jowitt and Johnstone have done this year...

It won't happen all in one season...patience has to be key...I'm more than happy how things are going at present though...it's nowhere near as bad as some make out! The comment about coffee shop culture is just laughable!

Seriously if anyone else comes on here talking pure sense like this, I'm going to stop reading this forum.

And just another point...those two 'different class' teams Wigan and Warrington....I've seen us beat them both at Belle Vue this season!

Great post by Upthecats....


......squad needs reviewing with some to go out of the door & another 2/3 SL quality forwards to come in along with at a SL quality half back and another genuine hooker to compete with Moore for next season.

Plenty of genuine pace/competition in the outside backs for next season.Looking forward to seeing MCB in the red, white & blue.

Spot on,

All we need is a dose of unsportsmanlike unbridled fury, aggression and damaging physical violence, mixed with a complete disregard for our own and our opponents well being, and we'll be as good as the top 4 sides...

Talking of a different class, that is exactly what Soward was this afternoon.

Cant believe we are even contemolating half a game a month Campese when this blike is lingering in the championship.

Can see him going to somewhere like Hull KR or Widnes and playing us off the park.

Can see it now, Campese out injured again so Kyle Wood comes in

apologies your right we are only slightly behind Wigan in quality.
I stand corrected

No what has been laughable is some of the teams performances and the fact you don't think there is anything wrong with the conditioning when it's plain to see we play at a pace far slower than pretty much every other team in SL and can't get off the defensive line half the time

If you want to kid yourself that injuries were the only reason for not being competitive thats your prerogative but I think you will find attitude and fitness have been reasons in a number of games

There's no doubt we need a new conditioner, especially if we want to keep improving as a team & have said so on various occasions, that Clawson's had his time with us & t's time to get someone better.

Saying that there is a lot of truth imo in what upthecats said. We simply don't have the squad depth, especially to keep up with the rest of the Top 8 when we've had substantial injuries. There's no getting away from it.

Generally games have gone in the S8's the same way; we get dominated in the forwards from the start, that means we're on the back foot, tackling far more than the opposition, which knackers the team out more than a closely matched team would. That leads to the halfbacks having no platform, which makes them look poor, as well as the rest of the backs. Then the opposition get a lead and heads go down. The last 2 games have shown even though we lost, that when some players returned, we competed well and if we'd have had Moore on the pitch, with his extra craft and skill out of acting halfback, we'd have probably won both imo.

Obviously there's a bit more to it than just injuries, that's caused the drop off in standard in some of the games, especially since the Super 8's started. Such as not much to play for, especially when your playing against teams that do, that leads to that say 5% drop off in intensity and leads to blow outs. Also a sense of a bit of an attitude of job done by some of the players, mostly senior ones at that.

There's probably no one that's been more disappointed as me at some of our efforts lately. But like he hints at, when you hear some people around here, it's like we've had a poor season and we'll be defo back in the MPG next season. It's crazy talk.

I think the effort it took when Chester came in to get us to where we were are. Where we didn't have to worry about the MPG, plus also getting to the Semi of the CC, probably took more out of the players than we realise.

We have this 'conditioner' argument every time we get beaten.
We've won loads of games in the second half this year so stamina isn't the issue. And there is only so big you can make people.....Anakin is not going to be Fifita no matter who takes him to understand the gym.

When you drop the ball through lack of skill or have to tackle a much bigger side, your energy will drain no matter what. There is a level of fitness you have to achieve of course and we should try to be our best but you can't be fit one week and unfit the next.

Disgraceful innit!

From rock bottom last year with three wins....it's shocking that within 12 months of that we're not challenging Wigan and Warrington for a place in the Grand Final...heads should be rolling at Belle Vue...it's simply not good enough!