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Quote: Smew "Perhaps we're watching the whole game and not just the go forward bits. His defence is shocking and his preference is to not take the ball on the full. Lots of people seeing the same thing, so surely must be correct? No doubt about his attack, but he is only half a player and that's far too much of a luxury for us.'"


I do understand what you are saying but some people fail to understand is if his defence was as good as his attack he'd be playing for wigan/wire etc

People's expectations are too high
He is a classic trin style player the positives he brings to the attack out weight his one on one defence issues for me

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Quote: musson "I do understand what you are saying but some people fail to understand is if his defence was as good as his attack he'd be playing for wigan/wire etc

People's expectations are too high
He is a classic trin style player the positives he brings to the attack out weight his one on one defence issues for me'"



But not when he is playing fullback, defence first, any attacking benefits are a bonus. Players around the fullback need to have confidence in his defensive abilities (sometimes I'm not sure that CH has confidence in his own abilities in this area) and the fullback needs to have confidence in those around him.

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Quote: thebeagle "Wasn't it Johnstone on two occasions fluffed the high ball?Some people only see what they want to see .On watching the game again Anthony Tupou was immense in defence and a threat with his offloads.'"

Maybe so, but at least Johnstone went for the ball. Ok he dropped it, I can take that. What I can't take is a player allowing the ball to bounce first which seems to be Halls preference.

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TBH if everyone was fit we wouldn't be having this discussion because Hall would not have played IMO.He got his chance through the lack of players available and I would hope he doesn't feature once we get players back.

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Watch the game again Smew.Hall actually took two high balls in 'heavy traffic'.Yes he was at fault some of the time, but not all of the time.

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Quote: cocker "TBH if everyone was fit we wouldn't be having this discussion because Hall would not have played IMO.He got his chance through the lack of players available and I would hope he doesn't feature once we get players back.'"


I don't think that is the case now because Hall in the centres along with Ashurst does more for Johnson and Wakefield than any other combination. I saw Toupou leave a high ball, drop a high ball and gift Hull KR a try. I saw Lynn miss numerous tackles but yet what is the topic but Hall.
I think he is our best centre, he may not be a full back but at least he will give it a go however when you have several against one because others have missed their tackles there is not a lot any full back can do.
I know the other figure of hate is BJB but once again we noticed his absence on Thursday just like we will do if Hall is not in the team.

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Quote: Scarlet Pimpernell "I don't think that is the case now because Hall in the centres along with Ashurst does more for Johnson and Wakefield than any other combination. I saw Toupou leave a high ball, drop a high ball and gift Hull KR a try. I saw Lynn miss numerous tackles but yet what is the topic but Hall.
I think he is our best centre, he may not be a full back but at least he will give it a go however when you have several against one because others have missed their tackles there is not a lot any full back can do.
I know the other figure of hate is BJB but once again we noticed his absence on Thursday just like we will do if Hall is not in the team.'"


Don't think Hall is a figure of hate at all...people just putting their views over . As I said earlier yes B. Tupou had his worst game for us Thurs night but for me what Hall gives in attack he more than takes away in defence and has no intention of putting his body on the line....and this isn't new , i's a consistent aspect of his play.

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Craig Hall is a good player. Wakey's sort of player.
Has Hardaker become a rubbish fullback because Leeds this season are struggling?
Some people need to look at the bigger picture, our fate regarding where we finish is in our own hands, as opposed to last year, when we were preparing for the middle 8's after 10 games.
We have won 7 out of 11 and still it's not good enough.

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Hall confirmed exactly what anyone who watched us last season already knew, that he is not a full back! Playing him there last season destroyed his confidence and expecting anything else to happen this time was just madness. He either needs to play in the centres or wing, otherwise should not be in the team. Having said that he would be in the right centre for me with BJB on the wing with Arundel and Johnstone on the left.
If we need someone to stand in for young Max Jowitt at FB then it should be Tansey or possibly even Owen but NOT Hall.

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I don't know why CC put's him at FB, I personally like his attacking play it may not always pay off but credit where credit is due Wakey would not be in the position there are in now without his contribution.

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Quote: bigcjlchris "I don't know why CC put's him at FB, I personally like his attacking play it may not always pay off but credit where credit is due Wakey would not be in the position there are in now without his contribution.'"


Injuries to Jowitt and BJB as far as I'm aware.

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I don't think Jowett was injured, my information is he was rested.

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Quote: JINJER "I don't think Jowett was injured, my information is he was rested.'"

lets hope he was only rested, Hudds. up next and with Broughy on form and with his kicking game one of the best in Super League we are going to need someone reliable at full back under the high ball.

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Quote: KevW60349 "lets hope he was only rested, Hudds. up next and with Broughy on form and with his kicking game one of the best in Super League we are going to need someone reliable at full back under the high ball.'"


DB didn't play agin Cas, don't know why he didn't play.

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