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Quote: jonh "No club has a right to success, good clubs well run succeed poor clubs fail.

Not sure what Wigan fans have to do with any of this but it is worth noting that attendances increased in the season where we were so poorly run we had to cheat relegation.

Remember Vasty, posting on here does not make you a special fan, you are posting on an open forum to a small percentage of fans, some of who you may know.

Lots of people who don't post on here have done a hell of a lot in the past and recently to support the club but don't feel the need to play the big I am to a small set of generally level headed posters on a forum.

The fact you call me arrogant by the very tone of your opening post says significantly more about you than me. As I said however you enjoy the fact that finally Mr Carter seems to have come round to your way of thinking over the course of the last few weeks.

Being totally honest I highly doubt if Brain Smith thought either Smith or Locke remaining at the club would have had a positive effect on the squad, results or ability to remain in SL they would have been let go. I genuinely believe visa allowing in the case of Smith they would have remained with the club IF from a rugby decision they would have contributed in a positive way.

Still what would I know I'm just a fickle Wigan fan.'"


I'll have one last crack at this and let you salvage some credibility.

Are you seriously suggesting that Mr Michael Carter of no previous RL experience arrived two years ago at BV as a ready made CEO? Because if you are you either bonkers or delude, I'll give you the benefit and say your neither of those. In which case can you furnish me with the address of the University that offers a PHD in Superleague club management - Hogwarts does not count. It must be a very specialist course considering only 12 people are employed in that roll at any one time.

Be honest he's dropped some right clangers - why would that be a surprise most normal humans would. Ted was in charge for 16 years and he was pretty poor for the first 10 years but he got their in the end or as close as he was ever going to. So for MC to have apparently "got" as much as my opening post credited him with in two seasons - I'd say I was fairly complimentary. I reckon with Smith help he'll be even better in 12 month time and Brian's successor may well be a great call. However he's not the real deal right now, because the proof is in the eating and until we get a top 8 finish or a real cup run we shouldn't break out the bunting just yet.

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I have been one of his biggest critics because i believe he has resided over one of the worst periods in our existence. I think we were very close to going out of SL however, we survived so I hope he has learnt a valuable lesson in the running of our great club. I will therefore judge him by his actions going forward both with the playing staff and the decisions he takes regarding the game experience.

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Quote: vastman "I'll have one last crack at this and let you salvage some credibility.

Are you seriously suggesting that Mr Michael Carter of no previous RL experience arrived two years ago at BV as a ready made CEO? Because if you are you either bonkers or delude, I'll give you the benefit and say your neither of those. In which case can you furnish me with the address of the University that offers a PHD in Superleague club management - Hogwarts does not count. It must be a very specialist course considering only 12 people are employed in that roll at any one time.

Be honest he's dropped some right clangers - why would that be a surprise most normal humans would. Ted was in charge for 16 years and he was pretty poor for the first 10 years but he got their in the end or as close as he was ever going to. So for MC to have apparently "got" as much as my opening post credited him with in two seasons - I'd say I was fairly complimentary. I reckon with Smith help he'll be even better in 12 month time and Brian's successor may well be a great call. However he's not the real deal right now, because the proof is in the eating and until we get a top 8 finish or a real cup run we shouldn't break out the bunting just yet.


Vasty firstly what does prior RL experience have to do with running a business? Wakefield Wildcats are a business. He has no input into the RL side that is for the coaches. He has to supply the stability, pay the wages keep the players happy from a business point of view.

The on field performance only down to him when decisions need to be made to change it from a negative point of view.

Mr Carter has done very well for himself away from rugby and that is a transferable skill. How many successful chairmen come from a hands on rugby background? Give me a Mo Lindsay in his pomp over James Elston any day.

You need to remove the perspective of Carter being a rugby man, that had absolutely nothing to do with the success he has made of the business by keeping it up and soon to be debt free.

I don't require any credibility on here thanks. This is a public forum with a few posters on, a minority of people. Some I know and have sensible good rugby conversations with in real life, some I don't. Why would I require or crave credibility?

Remove the emotional connection and appreciate Mr Carter has been a superb Chairman thus far, don't suddenly claim he is getting it right after the event of putting his credibility and reputation on the line. He has been getting a lot more right over the course of the last 2 years than he has wrong. It's not just dawned on him since the Bradford game but it seems it may have with you.

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Jonh....always a positive contributor as far as I am concerned. Scarlet Pimpernel...Damn thought you had gone

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As usual, the truth is somewhere in the middle of two polarised viewpoints.

Personally, I think it's fair to say that MC has won the war, but lost a few battles along the way; anyone who runs a business will say that's a fair outcome and par for the course.

What matters now is what happens next - and I'm happy to wait and see.

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Quote: bren2k "As usual, the truth is somewhere in the middle of two polarised viewpoints.

Personally, I think it's fair to say that MC has won the war, but lost a few battles along the way; anyone who runs a business will say that's a fair outcome and par for the course.

What matters now is what happens next - and I'm happy to wait and see.'"

quite right, only time will tell.

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Quote from MC in today's Wakey Express saying we have 8 or 9 new signings lined up eusa_think.gif eusa_think.gif

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Quote: FIL "Quote from MC in today's Wakey Express saying we have 8 or 9 new signings lined up
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I'm guessing you have inside info and are setting our expectations??

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Quote: Mable_Syrup "I'm guessing you have inside info and are setting our expectations??'"
no just fed up with with listening to fans shred the club and players to bits before the even step onto the pitch, just left a job where one bloke who last went to the game against crusaders always had something negative to say cock by name cock by nature

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Fair enough I'm sure it does get quite draining. I do enjoy a good rumour, always enjoy the off season! Don't think I've ever been one to jump to conclusions about players I always like think I give them enough chance to prove me right or wrong.

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Quote: snowie "cock by name...'"

How unfortunate.

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Quote: snowie "no just fed up with with listening to fans shred the club and players to bits before the even step onto the pitch, just left a job where one bloke who last went to the game against crusaders always had something negative to say cock by name cock by nature'"

Horbury WMC is full of them Snowie mate,I'm afraid it will never Change, frustrating as it is.Like Mabel says,I too look forward to the off season signings especially this one with BS at the helm.

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Sounds like we are going to get some player news later today going by mc's tweet on twitter

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Signings sell season tickets, perceived good signings sell more season tickets especially when you are asking them to pay in full.

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