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| I don't really like how this is going.
We played well against Salford and against Bradford too but it's a start of a road, not the downhill. We've only got one win.
We have to be as ruthless against Leigh as we are capable and we need to improve on the weak areas.
We can't just assume two losses mean they'll roll over for us.
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| Exactly Trinity have only 2 points so far and Leigh are the team that are still most likely to challenge Trinity for that Super League spot.
No time for thinking it's going to be easy when it isn't....Leigh knocked us out of the Challenge Cup and that should not be forgotten. It's time to repeat that first 30 minute start against Bradford but keep it going for 60-70 minutes...dominate in the pack and give Miller and Tim Smith room to play. I'd expect Johnstone to be in the 17 as his pace will worry Leigh if he gets any space.
Come on Trinity keep it up..get that pride and confidence back..
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| Quote: asmadasa " I'd expect Johnstone to be in the 17 as his pace will worry Leigh if he gets any space.
Agreed. Johnstone before Riley any day of the week. Looking forward to another trip to Leigh. Nice tidy ground and always prefer away games when crowd support is required.
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| If Locke is ready Lee Smith could go into the centres and put Tupou out on the wing
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| Quote: PopTart "I don't really like how this is going.
We played well against Salford and against Bradford too but it's a start of a road, not the downhill. We've only got one win.
We have to be as ruthless against Leigh as we are capable and we need to improve on the weak areas.
We can't just assume two losses mean they'll roll over for us.'"
Quote: PopTart "Exactly Trinity have only 2 points so far and Leigh are the team that are still most likely to challenge Trinity for that Super League spot.
No time for thinking it's going to be easy when it isn't....Leigh knocked us out of the Challenge Cup and that should not be forgotten. It's time to repeat that first 30 minute start against Bradford but keep it going for 60-70 minutes...dominate in the pack and give Miller and Tim Smith room to play. I'd expect Johnstone to be in the 17 as his pace will worry Leigh if he gets any space.
Come on Trinity keep it up..get that pride and confidence back..
I don't see any posts where people are suggesting Leigh will be easy or that they'll roll over.
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| Salford and HKR have done to Leigh exactly what a proper SL side should do; dominate them in terms of energy and power, weather their headless chicken style of play and accept that they might score a few off it, but trust the processes and systems to get a win. They play exciting heads up rugby and they've got some pace and skill, but they fold when they're physically dominated in the middle - their forwards were bullied by Salford yesterday and that allowed Chase and, to a lesser extent Dobson, to run riot.
We need the same game plan that we used against Bradford, with additional note paid to how quickly they try to promote the ball to their edges - which are quick; a bit more attention paid to stopping offloads and discipline in the defensive line should take care of that.
Easier said than done like - they have a fair bit of fight in them and we're far from the finished article.
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| Quote: PopTart "I don't really like how this is going.
We played well against Salford and against Bradford too but it's a start of a road, not the downhill. We've only got one win.
We have to be as ruthless against Leigh as we are capable and we need to improve on the weak areas.
We can't just assume two losses mean they'll roll over for us.'"
It could quite easily be points difference separating 4/5/6. Being ruthless in both attack & defence can make the difference. BSmith knows this.
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| Quote: TheButcher "Salford's forwards dominated today. All game. Chase and Dobson ran the show. They will throw everything at you in the first twenty, and if you weather it they will rely on high-risk plays. They are very good at running high risk plays, mind you, and can score in broken-play from anywhere. If you play smart, and with heart, I think you'll beat them fairly comfortably. The big question for me, is will Leigh come with a sensible gameplan to try and get the win or play their usual throw-and-hope style. They know this is a crucial game, but I think they'll play more desperation stuff than the hard percentages. This will play into your hands imo, and I think Smith will have a solid game plan ready to go.'"
We will play the way we have for the last two years, we don’t have it in us to play any other way, and for me regardless of the recent results its good to watch and long may it continue.
As per normal yesterday the best team won, and I expect the same will happen on Saturday.
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| Some interesting selection headaches coming up over the next few weeks.
If Kevin Locke is fit to play we really have to find a place for him and the only place is Full Back where Lee Smith has been superb.
If Brian Smith likes Scott Moore then decision 1 is does he become our first choice hooker over Michael Sio and decision 2 is where do we shoehorn Godinet into the side. My choice would be to exclude Moore in favour of a Sio/Godinet Hooking combination.
With Richard Owen injured who replaces him?
Tom Johnstone for me, he deserves a chance to play in a team that's defending relatively well, his reputation as a defender took a battering but few of the tries conceded were actually his fault.
Other options are Lee Smith to centre/Tupou to wing with Locke at Full Back or aStraight swap of Riley or Hall or Tansey in for Owen.
If Lauitiiti is 100% then how does he get a game?
For me, on current form it'd be in place of Walker who has had a couple of strong performance followed by a couple of below average ones.
Crowther/Annakin/Yates might get some game time versus Halifax and Sheffield though I'd be very guarded about taking to the field with a much below full strength team.
Interesting selection headache that is nice to have.
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| Quote: The Avenger "Some interesting selection headaches coming up over the next few weeks.
If Kevin Locke is fit to play we really have to find a place for him and the only place is Full Back where Lee Smith has been superb.
If Brian Smith likes Scott Moore then decision 1 is does he become our first choice hooker over Michael Sio and decision 2 is where do we shoehorn Godinet into the side. My choice would be to exclude Moore in favour of a Sio/Godinet Hooking combination.
With Richard Owen injured who replaces him?
Tom Johnstone for me, he deserves a chance to play in a team that's defending relatively well, his reputation as a defender took a battering but few of the tries conceded were actually his fault.
Other options are Lee Smith to centre/Tupou to wing with Locke at Full Back or aStraight swap of Riley or Hall or Tansey in for Owen.
If Lauitiiti is 100% then how does he get a game?
For me, on current form it'd be in place of Walker who has had a couple of strong performance followed by a couple of below average ones.
Crowther/Annakin/Yates might get some game time versus Halifax and Sheffield though I'd be very guarded about taking to the field with a much below full strength team.
Interesting selection headache that is nice to have.'"
Hasn't Moore torn his bicep?
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| Quote: Angelic Cynic "From what I saw last week,and from reports of todays game at Salford,it would seem the discipline at Leigh has been acceptable.I don't think it will last.
A former NRL player,recently at Featherstone,came out with a lovely quote - “They play a very hard style of football, as I found out when I was in the Featherstone side at Blackpool.
“At times it was like prison rules,
It can be found at the very bottom of this rlLINKrl'"
Did that former NRL player explain the way things were at Fev, prior to last season? They topped the Championship four successive seasons by employing virtually the same style as Leigh have these past two years - dominate up front and then run the opposition ragged. Leigh and their coaching team would have been painfully aware of the success of that tactic - they used to stuff us regularly, 3-4 times a season!
You could say that we have just followed their blueprint.
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| Quote: Alan "Did that former NRL player explain the way things were at Fev, prior to last season? They topped the Championship four successive seasons by employing virtually the same style as Leigh have these past two years - dominate up front and then run the opposition ragged. Leigh and their coaching team would have been painfully aware of the success of that tactic - they used to stuff us regularly, 3-4 times a season!
You could say that we have just followed their blueprint.
I watched Fev regular over the last few seasons and believe me they didn't use the tactics Leigh have shown in past games.
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| Alan,
Daryl Powell never had carte blanche powers to sign players direct from Super League,and NRL,or to spend money which had observers questioning the creative accountancy of the club and the policing of the salary cap.
He never had his players full time.
He had them disciplined,apparently on and off the field and I don't recall out of season doping problems etc.( Having seen something on Twitter which suggests Barlow shouting at a tester in the street I don't think anything similar occurred at Featherstone when he was there.)
He even had the misbehaviour of the followers improve drastically.
He also guided his team to more grand Finals than Leigh have reached.
Apart from that I can see the similarities.
Bye,Wakefield fans.Disappearing again,quietly.Win on Saturday
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| I hope BS doesn't decide to go with Moore over Sio again. Locke over Lee Smith, if available, is a tough one. If we were to find a place for Locke, I'd be tempted to drop Arundal, who seems to lack effort sometimes, put Lee Smith there and Locke at Fullback. Although Smith may not have the pace for centre these days.
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| Quote: The Avenger "Reading between the lines it sounds as though Paul Rowley is accepting defeat in attempting promotion. I think it's too early to say that, unless he knows something about his squad that no one from the outside would know.
Maybe he realises now the toll that's been taken on his players in fighting a hard Championship campaign, Challeng Cup matches and then 7 weeks of Super 8s.
My mind goes back to 1998 and HKR, after we'd beaten them black and blue they were expected to go to Featherstone and win, setting up another game against us. However, they were done, physically and mentally they had nothing left and subsequently got flogged against Fev.
Is Paul Rowley seeing the signs of fatigue in his team, are they busted?
Rowley saidwe came up against a Salford side who played to a high Super League standard. They were much too good for us and our kicking game was really poor.
"It's man in the mirror and keep our nerve time now. It wasn't do or die today but we have to keep our swagger and our heads held high and go again.
"The Super League club's finances have a bit to do with it but it's proving an impossible dream at the moment for championship clubs."[/i'"
I would say the game plan is already in action.
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