I still can't get my head round why were told we'd be demoted 2 leagues whilst Bradford talk of points deduction and have been in administration twice since we have. It is the elephant in the room and makes this a complete farce.

I have nothing against the Bulls, however you went into Administration and should be punished for it. Twice in 2 years we got told we'd drop divisions if we went in again.

Your right B B but as I understand it your not appealing because you are intending to pay some creditors off. If that was the basis of the appeal then I would have no issue with it

Expect more farce and a reduction in the 6 point penalty.
Nothing in the sport of RL is a surprise any more.

Bradford went into admin just before the start of the 2014 season, which gave the RFL a stark choice, either prop them up until a buyer was found, or allow them to drop of the edge of the cliff, which was no choice.
Therefore on the basis of previous deductions (for admin) there seems little reason to change the 6 point penalty, but this wont prevent the points deduction being reduced, or wiped completely.

I would expect that the minimum criteria will relate to the payment of the money owed to the HMRC. They appear to have been forgotten by many but have not gone away and they will want their money or I am sure they have the power to make it difficult for all parts of the RL. I doubt we could be considered to be their favourite sport at the moment.

I think the points deduction will remain 6. The Bulls from what I understand have lodged the appeal based upon an unforeseeable event. They have to prove this before any alteration to the points deducted would be considered. This is unlikely and the case will more than likely be thrown out.

If by some means they manage to prove this, the panel will draw on previous cases e.g. Crusaders & Wakefield who paid the majority of their creditors and were deducted 4. From what I understand the Bulls didn't pay the tax man

They shouldn't get anything other than a complete dressing down for wasting everybody's time and dragging Rugby League back into the headlines for all the wrong reasons.

Force Majure my Ass,
Have they paid ANY Creditors back?

My judgement would be the penalty remains at 6pts and my post appeal report would lambast the Bulls for their conduct and state they were lucky that rules didn't allow the Independent Panel to double it!

I've no faith in this though and think its a stitch up!

I don't think it's a stitch up. To give a lot of points back would be saying that the RFL got it very wrong, which also had the effect of deterring potential buyers and demoralising players and fans, making relegation a self-fulfilling prophecy.

What they might say is that the points deduction was correct based on the information available at the time, but subsequent efforts to repay creditors merits a reduction to 4 points, bringing it in line with previous deductions.

The last I read, however, the RFL were saying that the owner who ran them into the ground still owed them £190,000 or something, so I can't see the RFL being too Bulls-loving.

The point of the appeal, in my view, is that to have refused the right to one would have been a breach of natural justice, which could mean judicial review and the whole season going up in smoke. My view is that the RFL have allowed an appeal to take place to comply with the rules of natural justice. It doesn't mean the appeal will be successful. Sometimes you've just got to wait a bit longer to get what you want.

Ok Vastman if you want to make it personal lets talk about

Sorry, upthecats but just because we won a game it doesn't make everything Vastman has said redundant. This is coming from someone who finds myself disagreeing with a lot of what he says.

It makes me laugh that some people after winning yesterday think that everything Agar did from the Hull KR to now is completely immune to any criticism. Shipping 100 points between two games against Leeds was completely unacceptable, no matter the quality of the opposition, we're Wakefield Trinity Wildcats, not London effing Broncos!

Have to agree.

Im not in the Agar out camp, yet. However in my eyes he has got himself a slight reprieve with those who want him out. A few more wins and he may convince some people he's the right man after all.
1 win is ok, and we are all glad of it. A few more wins in a row then some people may change thier mind.

Where have I said that Willzay?

I've said on here he's made mistakes....doesn't everyone? All of us who post on here....players....other coaches....it's part of life......the day we get a coach who makes absolutely no mistakes whatsoever will not come....

In my opinion those points I've highlighted from Vastman I think are crazy......in the same way he thinks me not having a problem with Bradford getting two points back is.....

Saying we wouldn't win another game with Agar's crazy combinations......saying it was sabotage by a professional coach in a team selection......saying he has lost the dressing room and it's so clear for everyone to see.....saying Glenn Morrison is the man to come in and do better.......etc....etc....

All points I disagree with and think are totally o.t.t......

There will still be plenty of ups and downs with us don't worry about that......there is at least 8 teams/squads in this league better than us.......that makes us a bottom end team......it's not rocket science in any sport in the World (no matter who your coach is, or how good they are) to expect to raise your game one week and beat a better team and then put in a lesser performance and get beat.....being inconsistent results wise isn't out of the ordinary for a team down the bottom end.......but it won't stop the knives coming back out on Friday should we lose at Widnes.....

The late arrival of key players is a poor excuse as we had a settled 17 against London and Catalans and Saints but then he started his tinkering...