I thought he looked ok for us without standing out but for whatever reason the partnership between him and Tim didn't work. Agar could see this and switched Sykes into the Halfs and from then on the team clicked so nobody can have a go at Agar for doing this.

I will be honest I dont think in the time Isaac was here anyone would say he looked like an international player but sometimes some players just excel in certain environments and I think he must have found one of those at Penrith but not here, he is not the first import to not really settle over here but go back home and rip it up.

I think we also need to point out that we have also taken quite a few players who have not exactly done well at previous clubs and they have done well for us.

starts at stand off for new zealand in the anzac test on friday but couldnt make our team

Yeah but have you seen who is missing for Newzealand. Its a case of If you cant have an holiday in the algarve then Grimsby is better than nothing. John is playing reserve at the moment as well.

So with what you saw at Wakefield, would you have selected him to start for New Zealand?

He's not getting selected for Penrith and has only been selected due to a dearth of injuries for the Kiwi's, its not quite the headline grabbing story its made out to be really.

Agreed, its not as if Vince Mellars has been called up or Steve Southern has been selected for Aus.

Still it's not like we have been flush with players who have represented there national teams recently. Whether there's injuries or not. It's not like we have players 2nd and 3rd in line for national jumpers. Tells you about agars ability to spot talent, shame he's no idea how to nurture it and give it a chance. Treats our own young guys the same as he treat Isaac

You say he cant spot talent yet he was the bloke that spotted him in the first place and brought him over. He was an Agar signing but it just didn't work for him over here, we cant blame Agar on this one.

No you'be misunderstood. I said he has the ability to spot talent but is unable to improve and nurture a players game. That's why we have players each and every week underperforming and still get picked. I think Agar suites a director of football role rather than head coach

IIRC John was a recommendation from Steven Kearney or someone else of similar ilk.

Phew! Thank God we managed to dodge the "Agar did a good thing" debacle.
That was a near miss.

My mistake for misunderstanding.

I still think Agar can spot and nurture Talent though, look at Tim Smith and Paul Aiton, nobody would have picked these 2 out but Agar did and turned them into arguably 2 of our best players in the time they were at the club and earned us quite a bit of cash when thney were sold.

Anyway back to John, he always had talent but it just didn't work for him in SL

Aiton was very sought after and we were lucky to get him, I don't think he realised his own worth.

Smith less so though I don't really think you can say he was nurtured, more found some form.

You're dead right about Aiton vasty - he came to us on a pittance and stayed because he was loving his rugby; and that's straight from the horses mouth.

As for Smith - if a player is crap, it's Agar's fault, but when he's good, he's 'found some form?'

I liked Smith - I thought his strengths netted off his weaknesses for the most part, but I can't believe that the coach played no part in his purple patch.

Agar played his part I agree, but Smith was an ex NRL/Wigan player so he only needed to find form and a Coach who understood him - however he hardly needed nurturing that's for 17 year old rookies. Pedantic maybe but true.