Because he hasn't had it coached out of him yet. FFS! Give Agar at least a couple of weeks to demotivate him.

NGB4C - you must have been near us as I said all game long its same old story at kick off no trying the other side or a shorter kick with the ball bouncing all over the shop.Lyne did a few good runs and Mathers was not interested I could not belive Lyne took the high ball and got out into the field of play only for to be driven back over the line by 2 Wigan players and who stood watching but Mathers for god sake why did he not help him keep in the field of play.Another point I could not understand was the Wigan winger Burgess was throwing up on the field at one bit why did we then not have a go at running over the top of him a couple of times.

Burgess is known to spew, it's something he tends to do. Given the try he scored not long after I think this highlighted this.

Not sure why he does it, but I have seen him do it a few times in the past to no detriment to his performance.

I would have his sugar levels checked, it once happened to me while working long hours and grafting like I had never worked before, I would say dietary

It could just be a case if nerves, I played with a few who did the same. I am sure with the support staff Wigan have it will have been something that will have been investigated.

For 2yrs I've had my ability as an ex coach ridiculed because of my criticisum of certain players on here particularly mathers, and his mastery of the art of self preservation,the clubs signing of second rate overseas players like mat Ryan and godinet on I'm sure much better money than our own of similar ability, and English players like Lynne and wash brook ,and Leeds loanees ,briscoe and keinhurst at the expence of players we already had had the club who were unfortunately not our coaches signings,and our coach himself who's skill at team selection or how to manage a team during a game is none existent .A word for pop tart from reading your posts I'm sure your a very nice and honest chap, but can't you see that defenders of our coach and teams performances are wearing a bit thing. Oh and agars raving over the Polish kid Harry we'll have to wait and see ,but he's said similar things before about players and I'm sorry I don't trust his judgement

If Agar does go fancy a job?

What was your perspective of the game Jonh?

For once, I can't argue about Mathers; he was dreadful today and on at least two occasions, it looked to me like he deliberately avoided having to make a 1 on 1 tackle.

Don't take this as me agreeing with everything you say by the way - that would never do - but just for today, I'm with you on Mathers.

Not seen it in full yet, going to sit down to watch it once my better half heads up to bed.......shortly hopefully!

For me he has done this one too many times, so I think it is time to give young Jowitt his first start next week at fullback. Sick of seeing Mathers and others dish up half d performances yet still waltz back into the squad the following week. For a professional rugby league player to be ducking out of tackles is nothing short of disgraceful.

Only tackle Mathers made was when Hampshire chipped over him. At least he got to sit in a nice dry dugout for 10 mins for it. He was crap when he played for us and hasn't improved since. I feel sorry for any team he "plays" for. Hopefully Sammut will do well for you. Always liked him.

No bren not just today don't want you to agree with me about today the point I'm making is that he's been like that since he came here and his record of being released quickly by other sides he's been with says the same, and another thing we didn't agree about,was my judgement about our academy seems after a 60 points drubbing at Wigan there not as good as some on here thought apart from jowitt at 16 ages were similar with a sprinkling 17 18 and 19yr olds, don't want to belittle the lads but if you remember when I said last season our 16s hadn't faced the best folk chose to ignore it

If the rumours are true about Ben Jones Bishop and Jamie foster then maybe agar might put Ben Jones Bishop to fullback and Jamie Fostor to wing for Recce Lynn??
(Just a thought if the rumours are true)

I have sat back and read the posts on this forum until I have found it necessary to join in order to provide a perspective outside the small band of contributors to this site. We have lost three games two we would have not expected to win against this season and one we were albeit history would suggest it was unlikely. I seem to remember during the dark days that many of you posted saying we should all stick together and support the chairman, the coaching staff and the players that have shown the loyalty to play in the red, white and blue. Well that lasted a long time one game and it was open season on anyone connected with the club.
I blame the chairman and the board because they have put together a better team than any of us would of thought possible. The problem is they have increased your aspirations but decreased your patience. What you forget is we are a new team with playing being added all the time. We have been through this before with a similar initial prognosis.
I don't read Salford supporters criticising their board, team or coach and on the face of it could be considered to have under performed based on the team they have put together, the preparation time and facilities they were provided with. Their supporters have aspirations but understand it will take time however, their chairman's may not have the same understanding, much like some of you.