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| The difference between Ben and Ryan Hudson is that one made some mistakes in his personal life and one (it appears to me) tried to cheat at the sport.
I didn't like BC coming in. I thought it gave the club a bad image but he instantly proved me wrong with his attitude. As it was off field antics that casued the problem, his on field performance and attitude could change my mind.
Taking drugs in sport is not the same. It has been alledged that it was a pain killer he took on holiday and that may be the case but I don't like it and think there are better people for the job given that background.
His sister being really fit only partly makes up for the mistake
However, I don't run the club so we will have to see how it goes.
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| Quote: Wollo-Wollo-Wollo-Wayoo "Would you know enough about Ben Johnson to allow him to coach your kids/grandkids if they were budding athletes?'"
I have no vested interest in Hudson either way - however he was banned for taking a drug containing a stimulant perscribed on holiday, without his knowledge he claimed. However the RFL rightly said ignorance was no excuse. However silly he was not to check and he is more than smart enough to know this he is hardly in the same class as Ben Johnson. He also paid the price, 2 years.
So yes I would let him coach my kids, in fact why wouldn't I unless you're suggesting he's a pusher which really is a bit OTT.
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| Everyone kicked off when Agar was appointed, but he has been given a chance and he has taken it. Lets give Ryan a chance and see what happens ey.
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| Wouldnt say we were mates, but I have met him on a few occasions and found him to be a decent lad. Very approachable and his knowledge of the game is second to none.
He got caught, he served his ban. Let he who without sin and all that!
As long as he got the job on merit then i dont see a problem with it.
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| Quote: WakeyManDan8 "Everyone kicked off when Agar was appointed, but he has been given a chance and he has taken it. Lets give Ryan a chance and see what happens ey.'"
I thought we gave him a chance when Wakefield plucked him out of the obscurity of the Shuddersfield make weights back in John Harbin's day. All he did was use Wakefield until it suited him. He's hit the buffers again and must have very few options so Wakefield will do nicely till he can get somewhere he really wants. Admittedley not quite worth refusing to renew our season tickets but very close!
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| Quote: Wollo-Wollo-Wollo-Wayoo "I thought we gave him a chance when Wakefield plucked him out of the obscurity of the Shuddersfield make weights back in John Harbin's day. All he did was use Wakefield until it suited him. He's hit the buffers again and must have very few options so Wakefield will do nicely till he can get somewhere he really wants. Admittedley not quite worth refusing to renew our season tickets but very close!'"
You're really not keen, fair enough
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| Quote: Fritzys Mullet "Wouldnt say we were mates, but I have met him on a few occasions and found him to be a decent lad. Very approachable and his knowledge of the game is second to none.
He got caught, he served his ban. Let he who without sin and all that!
As long as he got the job on merit then i dont see a problem with it.'"
I see your point about 'he without sin' but I haven't taken a banned drug so I'm putting myself lower down the sin list than him.
I know I'm being judemental and unfortgiving but I am very much against drugs in sport.
I guess my issue is that I don't get the "it was a pain killer prescribed on holiday".
Firstly, as a professional sportsman, unless you were given it while under
anaesthetic, then you should have checked it out.
Secondly, and I'd love it if someone could show me the evidence as I would completely back down but if you were caught with steroids in your ystem, wouldn't you blame it on a holiday pain killer rather than say yes I was cheating?
I'm usually the one saying we should wait and see but banned drugs are banned drugs for a reason as far as I am concerned.
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| Quote: Theboyem "Joining the the club to coach the juniors apparently. Glenn Morrisons replacement maybe?'"
Would have thought Tony Drury would have been given this job.
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| Quote: PopTart "I see your point about 'he without sin' but I haven't taken a banned drug so I'm putting myself lower down the sin list than him.
I know I'm being judemental and unfortgiving but I am very much against drugs in sport.
I guess my issue is that I don't get the "it was a pain killer prescribed on holiday".
Firstly, as a professional sportsman, unless you were given it while under
anaesthetic, then you should have checked it out.
Secondly, and I'd love it if someone could show me the evidence as I would completely back down but if you were caught with steroids in your ystem, wouldn't you blame it on a holiday pain killer rather than say yes I was cheating?
I'm usually the one saying we should wait and see but banned drugs are banned drugs for a reason as far as I am concerned.'"
There are far worse things in life than "banned drugs." I'm very much of the he's made a mistake, he's paid for it - he has a wealth of knowledge and experience playing at the highest level and I for one am pleased to see him return to pass this on to the youngsters at Wakey.
As for another posters comments about jumping ship - as you know it is only a short career, players must go where the money/trophies are as they are usually retired from the game at least 30 years before they hit true retirement age. With the greatest respect, rugby players aren't known for their towering intellects - so have to make the most of the career while they can.
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| Quote: PopTart "The difference between Ben and Ryan Hudson is that one made some mistakes in his personal life and one (it appears to me) tried to cheat at the sport.
I didn't like BC coming in. I thought it gave the club a bad image but he instantly proved me wrong with his attitude. As it was off field antics that casued the problem, his on field performance and attitude could change my mind.
Taking drugs in sport is not the same. It has been alledged that it was a pain killer he took on holiday and that may be the case but I don't like it and think there are better people for the job given that background.
His sister being really fit only partly makes up for the mistake
Personally think everyone should be given a second chance but I think it's a bit strange how you seem to make a distinction just because Cockayne's done well since he's come over here and looks a reformed character but ateotd he was caught on cctv kicking the hell out of someones head. Not sure why Hudson isn't given the same leeway seen as he's served his time and put back into the community and been a good pro since his return. Seems ABH is more forgivable than a doping offense, or am I wrong here?
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| Hudson wasn't so much a drugs cheat but more naieve. At the time of it happening Hudson had returned from Australia where he'd been training during the off season and was told to take some supplements that all the nrl players had been taking. obviously it should have been his prerogative to check this out but instead he just took the advice he'd been given as gospel. (I believe it was Dane Dorahy who advised him) The bulls knew the testers were coming the day Hudson was tested and any player who had any doubts about passing the tests was told to go home for the day (a little like a former player of ours going to hospital at half time v Leeds away). Hudson didn't believe he had taken anything illegal and opted to stay, the rest as they say is history. Regardless of how it got in to his system he did the crime but he also spent the time so in my eyes he has been dealt with accordingly. He has had a decent career after his ban and has not reoffended. He can use his experiences both good and bad in helping to make young people make the right choices in their lives, yes the 'goody two shoes' like sinfield et al are perfect role models who kids should look up to but the likes of Hudson can also pass on information and experiences of being on the wrong side of the governing bodies and again help out kids on the right track. Life is all about choices, Hudson made a bad one but to prohibit him from teaching kids because of one misdemeanour is quite frankly absurd!
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| Quote: Shifty Cat "Personally think everyone should be given a second chance but I think it's a bit strange how you seem to make a distinction just because Cockayne's done well since he's come over here and looks a reformed character but ateotd he was caught on cctv kicking the hell out of someones head. Not sure why Hudson isn't given the same leeway seen as he's served his time and put back into the community and been a good pro since his return. Seems ABH is more forgivable than a doping offense, or am I wrong here?'"
Clearly both are wrong. I didn't want Cockayne either but what he did was nothing to do with sport. The legal system handled his case and although I didn't like what he did I only judge him on what has now done at Wakefield.
What Hudson did is cheating in sport and although not as bad in real terms, I don't like someone who cheats both his mates and his opponents. He tried to give himself an unfair advantage.
If he becomes part of the club I'll support him the same as anyone else, I just don't think it is a decision I would make.
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| Quote: El Rey "Would have thought Tony Drury would have been given this job.'"
Not sure him and RA see eye to eye!
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| Just think though,we may get Lucy Jo down at the ground supporting Wakey
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| Quote: El Rey "Would have thought Tony Drury would have been given this job.'"
Doubt he'll be back. Story goes he left a fair while before the announcement that he was going to dewsbury.
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