Good to see Betts hasn`t forgotten his Wigan upbringing.

Looks like a long hard season for Widnes if hes starting on the excuses already. Maybe he should look more close to home for any performance related problems!

Stupid gump he is, he wants to stop eating gravel and wind his neck in. Really enjoyed watching betts getting upset at losing after the guff he came out with after wigan stole a victory in 2004 play offs. The guy is a 1st class shortened Richard.

We all know about that, what widnes have to realise is the when you play the big clubs you sometimes suffer.

Nice one.

First off as haven't done so yet, congrats on a good and deserved win and good look for the rest of the season certainly showed god signs on Friday!

On the other hand Betts has a bit of a point. If you read the article / see interview on SKY he does say our discipline let us down once you win the ruck. I didn't go away thinking that the ref altered the game at all but I did feel the ruck area was a bit inconsistent and made it tough for us to get a roll on. That's a credit to your defence btw as you all know your push the ref to his limits though there were a few times I felt Thaeler was inconsistent there.

Ben Cross was outstanding until the final stages when yes his discipline cost us which was annoying as he was the senior player out there with Clarke off the pitch.

He's a ref what do you expect

Don't agree about B Cross at all, not seen anything of him at Leeds or Wigan that tells me any different, but we all see it different ways.

I don't blame Betts for having a whinge, all the other coaches do it.

What I thought we did do was control the ruck way better than your guys - that means three men in, peel off one by one on the ref's call and as a result, the ruck is slowed down and the defence has time to set; we all have our own views about that as a tactic, but that's how the game is played right now at SL level. I don't think Betts does himself or the club any favours by whining about the ref after your first game back in SL by the way.

As for Cross - I couldn't disagree more; he's a useless lump with all the gear and no idea - he will continue to do what he did to you last night for the remainder of the season.

More whiney crap from Wheezy www1.skysports.com/rugby-league/ ... ld-man-up- Don't want artificial crap at NM. Anyway IIRC there were some widnes players complaining as well as Fox and Kirmond? What a tool, can't stand him.

More whiney crap from Wheezy www1.skysports.com/rugby-league/ ... ld-man-up- Don't want artificial crap at NM. Anyway IIRC there were some widnes players complaining as well as Fox and Kirmond? What a tool, can't stand him.

There were a couple of the Widnes lads complaining as well, but they seemed to be "censored" !