Thought it was 4...

I thought he had great potential, but given the number of new signings we've made and the amount of overseas players the squad includes, I'm inclined to agree - seems that some people are only happy when there's something to moan about.

thats exactly right.mate. could be why he is struggling with front rowers.everyone i have spoke to tells the same story.as for ryan , he is another one that doesn't fit into his plans

Not a fan then?

He has a point though. The last thing we need is to be seen as a club that dumps on its players from a great height, its hard enough attracting them here as it is. And surely just continually just paying players off is just pouring money down the drain?

One of our released players has found a new home.

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i agree.

You're making assumptions on the basis that everything posted by 'frogcat' is 100% accurate; is there a reason for that?

He's been on the money about things before, Hendo going to france, the Korky situation etc, so seems to have some kind of insider info. And when you look at the facts, why haven't James & Tongia been announced? I've been told elsewhere by someone who would know these things that Tongia was given a contract but Agar wants rid so that tallies up.

Can someone print a list of all currently signed players & positions.there is that many comings and goings i have just lost the plot

I think you need to consider the whole picture (or what we know of it) before casting aspertions at the club as being a bad employer. There have been a few problems arising due to the late decision to be kept in SL, the delay in getting a new coach on board and the necessity to get some players before the well dried up. No-one has been signed who wasn't intended to feature at the time, but if the coach decides he has a different target or tactic, or if circumstances alter in some way, then the club must and will deal with that in the best manner it can at that time. I don't envy them in that respect!

Hmm - it's all a bit tenuous for me.

Pre-season has only just started, there's still room for a bit more player movement and given that RA is very aware of the task ahead, I can't imagine that he's making decisions for any reason other than fielding the most competitive squad possible for next season. If it doesn't make sense now, I'm sure it will later when all the ducks are in a row.

Meanwhile, I'll be disappointed that we won't see if Tongia could deliver on his early promise, but it's hardly the end of the world.

You are right, but the point boyem makes is still a valid one, in that we dont wish to be viewed as a club that rips up contracts and dumps on players.
The facts will out in the end, but at the moment we appear to have two players who for one reason or another we are trying to brush under the carpet.
Naturally we are all keen to find out what's going on.

I don't envy them at all and by all accounts theres has been some 'interesting' conversations between the movers and shakers over how to balance out what we have and what the coach wants. I'm not claiming the clubs are bad employers, providing things are done correctly then fine, its not a problem. But its a risky business and getting it right and maintaining the clubs reputation is tricky and could make it more difficult than it would have been down the track. And lets be honest had Tongia been here next season everyone would have been more than happy with that. Is that one worth the risk? If we are working to a ten year plan then its not just about what happens next season, we need to look further ahead than that. Good luck to RA as he needs to justify all these decision with results on the field and we need him to get it right. If we are successful then good on him, he got it right. If not then he'll fall on his sword. Time will tell.

Many a true word said in jest. With Huddersfield, he's got every chance to rip us to shreds!