If Agar is the best we can get I would offer John Kear a new deal I do not know what would p me off more signing Fozzard or setting a 2nd rate coach like Agar on

It wont happen will it ????

I dont know where all the Agar rumours have come from apart from the FC fans, as far as I know the new regime at FC are very happy with Rich and realise the problems he has had with injuries and such and that is why he is the one signing players for them next season, I will be amazed if he is not the FC coach next season.

I didn't think it was. I can't say I'm surprised, this club and these forums are full of windbags who don't practice what they preach. You can't say that but these days I can.

200 not as bad as I feared. However it's nowhere near enough to make a big difference IMHO. So all those expecting ST to work give the poor sods a chance and actually join rather than just moaning as per usual.

If I knew 25 years ago what I know now I would be a Leeds fan. As it was I picked Trinity and I just can't shake them off. It's seems a strange that someone who only moved to Wakefield aged 14 has the club deep in his heart whilst most born and bread don't. How you un tap that resource is anyone guess but someone needs to.

For starters, you run the club professionally and shake off the shambolic, self-interested, corner shop mentality that successive regimes have brought to bear.

If the club starts to take itself, its mission and its stakeholders seriously, the outside world will start to do the same.

Some simple ways to start that change of culture:

1. Appoint a HC who is actually a serious candidate, as opposed to a cheap option or someones mate.
2. Win some games.
3. Get a new stadium.

It's easy really.

I agree. Don't you think everyone who has ever got involved thought like that. You won't accept my word for it I know but it's just not that simple.

If running Leeds were a game it would be chess - so long as you don't make a wrong move you can't lose.

Trinity is like snakes and ladders it so random, I don't think I really need to explain any further.

I'm sure you think you could fix it with a plan and a spreadsheet but you couldn't....you really couldn't.

I now prepare myself for the standard allegations of being a Ted poodle,pessimist and anti AG and all his family.

Not at all - we're way past that; I prefer a grown-up discussion.

With respect to the snakes and ladders analogy - I wouldn't disagree entirely, but I do believe that such randomness is partly self-inflicted; what's the expression - "I'm a great believer in luck and I find that the harder I work, the more of it I have."

In short, if the club is run like a proper business, with a professional leader at the helm, a culture of quality and continuous improvement and with a clearly stated business plan that everyone can understand and buy into, then the tanker can be turned.

We're on the verge of having the best chance we've ever had of achieving a total transformation at WTW; there is a degree of alchemy involved I'll grant you that, because sports businesses are a bit different to other businesses, but the majority of it is still fairly simple science - there are rules and if they're followed, they work.

I'm told by AG himself that he has a ten year plan - that, for me, is a realistic and achievable timescale within which to complete the total re-engineering of WTW; it might not be soon enough for some of the more short-sighted or impatient people on here, but I guarantee that it will be enough for the casually interested latent support out there, that outnumbers us eejits by about 1000:1. If AG gets it right and things start to fall into place, there's no question in my mind that they'll be back.

Interesting times!

Ok. Agar isn't THAT bad of a coach. Infact, he's really good at some aspects of the job. He took over a really poor Hull FC side and has taken us to a CC final. He also took us from 11th in the league to 1 game away from 4th last year. He's good at improving players game (IMO). Manu, Tickle, Briscoe, Moa, Houghton have all improved in the last couple of seasons. He also makes good signings - whether that is because of the Hull FC name or not and whether he could replicate that at Wakefield I don't know. He has some strong ties to places like Featherstone too.

There are 2 things that he does badly IMO. The first is getting the players' in the right mindset. I honestly believe all the players like him and are motivated to play for him but I'm not sure if he can get the players' in the right mindset to beat teams like Saints/Warrington on a consistent basis. The second thing is his tactics, at times, are completely baffling. His use of substitutes is strange too.

Wakefield, for me, are one of the worst teams in the league. I think Agar can take you from basement dwellers to play-off makers with the right backing. Further than that, I don't think so.

In which case, keep him - I think speak for all of us when I say that WE DO NOT want Agar at WTW; he would be absolutely the wrong coach for us and would offer no improvement at all on Mr Kear.

His appointment would be be, in his own slightly illiterate words, "absolute baffling."

So can Kear but we need more than that which is why Kear is leaving and is why so many fans dont want Agar.

We are the worst team in the league just look at the table. However we have in recent years been a top 6 club play off makers as you say and only lost to Agars Hull on goal kicks for a CCup final - very very far from the cellar dwellers you slightly condecending post suggests . In fact we were until this year about the same as Hull FC.

So we do have expectations higher than just getting us off the bottom in what has not been a typical season. To get us to where Kear had us two years ago will take a lot of doing. If Agar could manage that I'd be happy - but he couldn't do it with you so I can't see him doing it with us so no thanks.

Now that I've thought about it more, I wouldn't be that disappointed with Agar. I wonder if his problems at Hull are partly to do with the assistant-coach syndrome, and higher expectations from the fans when he took over. He was appointed to a team that had been to a Challenge Cup final and a Grand Final not long before. It could be said that he has taken them backwards, in that they have't kicked on (although there was another Challenge Cup final), but he clearly doesn't lack potential. He has had some bad luck with injuries over the last couple of years. Maybe he just needs a fresh start at a club where he can build and move up. Looking at Hull's coaching turnover, there might be as many backroom reasons for his struggles.

I'm not saying I want Agar, but I think I would have taken him over Millward.

Cummins and a decent assistant would be the way forward for me though. The way Gentle has been touting himself around doesn't make him look good, in my view. He threw his hat in the ring for the Salford job, and he's been linked with us, Cas and Hul KR, when he has no head coach credentials.

Like I said, he isn't good enough to get us from lower parts of the play-offs to genuine challengers. That's what we need, you just need to go from basement dwellers to pushing the top 8.

I think you need to read the post by vastman is my response to that post.

And you need to jog on back to the Hull board, where your condescending claptrap might get a better reception.

that's the biggest bit of drivel I have read on the Agar saga, its almost like your a second hand car salesman trying to convince us that even though the car smokes a little its worth buying.

please keep Mr Agar for his last year and prove us all wrong and go and win something for a change