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Quote: Inflatable_Armadillo "Totally agree, just focus on support and don't enter the debate... it is hard (I know!) but try to resist. In doing so remember this, we have proved once again that there is overwhelming local support for this development and it is them that are the minority not the majority. They criticised the 15,000 signature petition, so we came back and addressed the issues head-on and collected over 2,700 statements of support in less than 2 months (the majority in the first 3 weeks), while it took them 8 months to get just over a 1000 objections.

We ARE the local majority and the majority want Newmarket!'"


You are not the local MAJORITY. The local majority is the silent majority who just leave it up to the appropriate authorities to deal with the issues at hand. Both you and the nimby's will effectively cancel each other out. At the end of the day it is not a numbers game it is about doing what is right within the laws of the land.

On the subject of your Campaign, well done for having access to an already established group of support (WTWC fans) and the networks that they use, the club website, The community Department, Supporters trusts and volunteers, and Forums and a fan base of anywhere from 3-6 thousand all with access to family members etc. Indeed well done on getting your 2700 signatures. As for the 15,000 petition lets face it was very badly worded and did not deal in detail with the whole development.

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[b:1swa1vwo]Change is inevitable ...except from a vending machine![/b:1swa1vwo] [quote="BillyRhino":1swa1vwo]So in best IA mode ..<.Possibley World Class, could be the greatest thing since sliced bread....am personally very excited, and confidently expect him to prove my predictions are bang on target.... Alternatively he could be rubbish> IA mode off. :wink:[/quote:1swa1vwo]:33791.jpg



Quote: rugbyball "You are not the local MAJORITY. The local majority is the silent majority who just leave it up to the appropriate authorities to deal with the issues at hand. Both you and the nimby's will effectively cancel each other out. At the end of the day it is not a numbers game it is about doing what is right within the laws of the land.'"


Now the thing is RB, I agree with you about it not being a numbers game totally, but this time we decided that to not prove them to be in a minority was unwise. You understand that I am sure? We have done what we set out to achieve, in that we have proved that to be true and we have indeed cancelled them out... by well over 2 to 1! As you state it is indeed about the law but also a local inquiry... we did not form RFN until after the SoS office called the application in, as 'we' trusted in our locally elected officials, one of the appropriate authorities, to deal with the issues. Another of these appropriate authorities, the Government office, called in the application, again as they are at liberty to do. We then formed a local action group, RFN, and clearly signalled it's purpose and intentions... no hidden agenda's or emotive faux group names here, just local people, many Wakefield supporters but many not, supporting our group in it's purpose.

Finally, should I search your posts about this 'not being a numbers game' or will I be wasting my time? icon_wink.gif

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So like I said the majority are the Silent majority.

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[b:1swa1vwo]Change is inevitable ...except from a vending machine![/b:1swa1vwo] [quote="BillyRhino":1swa1vwo]So in best IA mode ..<.Possibley World Class, could be the greatest thing since sliced bread....am personally very excited, and confidently expect him to prove my predictions are bang on target.... Alternatively he could be rubbish> IA mode off. :wink:[/quote:1swa1vwo]:33791.jpg



Quote: rugbyball "So like I said the majority are the Silent majority.'"


Question - If we could get an unbiased survey company to knock on all doors within a three mile radius and asked this silent majority whether they support, object or don't care and they had to give answer what do you think the result would be? I think I know the answer and suspect you do too!

You are really getting desperate now mate...

PS. Are you going to the Yorkshire Mafia conference?

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Sorry but I could'nt resisit answering the post although I've tried to keep it professional!



Mr Cameron,

As previously stated almost 3000 actual residents have submitted a letter of support for this Newmarket development.

Wakefield Metropolitan District Council followed the planning and consultation process to the letter of the law. The developer, York Court Properties, facilitated an open day for local residents to view the plans and speak directly with the architects and members of the development team something they were not obliged to do but did so anyway.

The highways agency had some concerns over the provision and redevelopment of one particular aspect of the road system and this has been addressed by the developer in conjunction with the highways agency. The FACT is that the surrounding road infrastructure will be improved and made much safer as a result of this development; the improvements will be undertaken at the cost of the developer.

The highways agency will impose restrictions on the routes that can be taken by the heavy goods vehicles which will prevent any impact on the small residential roads surrounding the development. Let's not lose sight of the fact that this development is directly off junction 30 of the M62 and it would be nonsensical for any heavy goods vehicle driver to use any other routes other than the motorway.

As a local resident I am unaware where these empty industrial units are within the local Wakefield area, in fact the government has requested that Wakefield find a suitable location for approximately 92 ha of warehousing.

I will reiterate the point made during my previous comments; this development and all the associated improvements will be undertaken and fully funded by the developer, there will be no cost to the taxpayer whatsoever! Therefore I am confused nay bemused by the constant claims that this development will waste taxpayer’s money when it is plain to see that the provision of sports and leisure facilities will in fact save millions of pounds from the public purse.

I will again refer to my previous comments regarding the net gain of green belt land as a result of the developer’s sympathetic, realistic and responsible approach to this whole development.
In closing I would like to point out that the previous poster's assertion that Wakefield Trinity Wildcats are failing club with poor attendances is far from the truth.

Wakefield Trinity is a world-famous club that has produced internationally renowned sportsmen for over 130 years and competes in the Super League, the sport's highest division. The club has one of the best community programs in UK sport which reaches out to areas of the city that other initiatives fail to make an impact upon.

The assertion that should Wakefield Trinity be relegated that the stadium would be a white elephant is so far wide of the mark as to make the commenters knowledge of sport in the Wakefield area irrelevant.

Support for the Community Stadium
Sir Rodney Walker – Chair, Wakefield & District Community Trust
“These exciting proposals will not only provide a stadium of the required quality to ensure that top class rugby league continues to be played within the metropolitan district of Wakefield, it will also open up opportunities for a range of wider sporting facilities which will help put pride back into the city. I am delighted to have been asked to chair the charitable trust which will oversee the development & management of the proposed facilities. From my time spent within a wide range of sporting organisations, I know at first hand how sport can play an important part in helping with the development of young people, contribute to crime reduction & encourage a healthy lifestyle.
This could be the last opportunity for some time to create the facilities the district badly needs & the public merit. These proposals deserve to succeed & possess the necessary qualities to be worthy of strong financial support."

Councillor Peter Box – Leader, Wakefield Council & Joanne Roney – Chief ExecutiveWakefield Council
“Wakefield Council is happy to support this project. The District is proud of its rugby league heritage and this new development will ensure the sustainability of this heritage for years to come. As a Council we are committed to ensuring that people have the quality of opportunity to participate in healthier and active lifestyles. Sport plays a positive role in many people's lives. It is valued in its own right for the friendship, fun, challenge and enjoyment it brings. Sport is often at the heart of the community helping places live and thrive. These types of projects will help us to achieve stronger, more sustainable, and cohesive communities as well as improving health, tackling obesity and transforming people's lives. It will create a hub of sporting excellence which we will welcome into the district.”

Councillor Mark Crowther – Conservative Leader, Wakefield Council
"I am delighted to lend my support to this proposed development. The new stadium has the potential to not only provide an excellent focal point for top quality sport both inside and outside the district, but to also act as a catalyst for the promotion of sport, physical activity and the arising health and social cohesion benefits within all of the communities in our area."

Mary Creagh MP – Member of Parliament for the Wakefield Parliamentary Constituency
"I am happy to support plans for a new Wakefield district stadium. The new stadium will open up a range of sports and leisure activities to everyone in our city. It will also secure the future of our much loved rugby league heritage and provide a new home for other sports clubs from across the district."

Ed Balls, Member of Parliament for Normanton & Shadow Chancellor
“The Wildcats are a keystone of our community in Wakefield. It's important that the team have a top-class venue to callhome, so I'm fully backing plans for a new stadium. As a community stadium, it will also open up sporting opportunities to people across the district - so it's good news for sports teams, families, and young people in our area.”

David Hinchliffe – Wakefield & District Community Trust, former Wakefield MP and former Chair of Commons Health Select Committee
"Having supported Wakefield Trinity RLFC since I was a boy and been involved in sport throughout my life, it is a privilege to be part of the team putting together proposals for exciting new facilities which will be a major asset for Wakefield people and the wider West Yorkshire community. Not only will the new Stadium offer a fine new home for one of this country's most famous sports clubs but the facilities will make a massive contribution to the improved health, fitness and well-being of local people."

Nagi Dinesh – Associate Medical Director, Mid-Yorkshire NHS Trust
“Being physically active and taking regular part in sports activities is an important component of staying healthy and tackling many long term conditions such as diabetes, blood pressure and heart disease. There is a national drive for us to become more active and having a facility such as Newmarket is an exciting project which will give a new hope to those who find it hard to avail themselves due to lack of facilities which promote being active. As a practicing clinician, I feel such a facility will offer us a chance to look at delivering education and support to people who need it the most. This is such an exciting opportunity and we have the responsibility to make sure that it happens.”

Paul Lord – Chairman, Stanley Rangers ARLFC
"Rugby is a fantastic sport and is an intrinsic part of the cultural heritage of Wakefield and District. The proposed community stadium will provide inspiration for current and future generations of players, and provide excellent additional facilities that are geared up to help to improve sport at all levels. We are happy to lend our support to the project."

Kevin Dodd – Wakefield and District Housing
“Wakefield and District Housing fully support these proposals and believe they will provide a lasting legacy for the local area. In addition to boosting sporting facilities they will also attract inward investment.”

May I draw your attention to the following articles and websites?
www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/wak ... _1_3021505
www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/n ... _1_2244461
www.superleaguefans.com/wakefiel ... ments.html
www.swag-online.co.uk/
www.wakefieldanddistrictcommunitytrust.co.uk/

Richard
Sorry but I could'nt resisit answering the post although I've tried to keep it professional!



Mr Cameron,

As previously stated almost 3000 actual residents have submitted a letter of support for this Newmarket development.

Wakefield Metropolitan District Council followed the planning and consultation process to the letter of the law. The developer, York Court Properties, facilitated an open day for local residents to view the plans and speak directly with the architects and members of the development team something they were not obliged to do but did so anyway.

The highways agency had some concerns over the provision and redevelopment of one particular aspect of the road system and this has been addressed by the developer in conjunction with the highways agency. The FACT is that the surrounding road infrastructure will be improved and made much safer as a result of this development; the improvements will be undertaken at the cost of the developer.

The highways agency will impose restrictions on the routes that can be taken by the heavy goods vehicles which will prevent any impact on the small residential roads surrounding the development. Let's not lose sight of the fact that this development is directly off junction 30 of the M62 and it would be nonsensical for any heavy goods vehicle driver to use any other routes other than the motorway.

As a local resident I am unaware where these empty industrial units are within the local Wakefield area, in fact the government has requested that Wakefield find a suitable location for approximately 92 ha of warehousing.

I will reiterate the point made during my previous comments; this development and all the associated improvements will be undertaken and fully funded by the developer, there will be no cost to the taxpayer whatsoever! Therefore I am confused nay bemused by the constant claims that this development will waste taxpayer’s money when it is plain to see that the provision of sports and leisure facilities will in fact save millions of pounds from the public purse.

I will again refer to my previous comments regarding the net gain of green belt land as a result of the developer’s sympathetic, realistic and responsible approach to this whole development.
In closing I would like to point out that the previous poster's assertion that Wakefield Trinity Wildcats are failing club with poor attendances is far from the truth.

Wakefield Trinity is a world-famous club that has produced internationally renowned sportsmen for over 130 years and competes in the Super League, the sport's highest division. The club has one of the best community programs in UK sport which reaches out to areas of the city that other initiatives fail to make an impact upon.

The assertion that should Wakefield Trinity be relegated that the stadium would be a white elephant is so far wide of the mark as to make the commenters knowledge of sport in the Wakefield area irrelevant.

Support for the Community Stadium
Sir Rodney Walker – Chair, Wakefield & District Community Trust
“These exciting proposals will not only provide a stadium of the required quality to ensure that top class rugby league continues to be played within the metropolitan district of Wakefield, it will also open up opportunities for a range of wider sporting facilities which will help put pride back into the city. I am delighted to have been asked to chair the charitable trust which will oversee the development & management of the proposed facilities. From my time spent within a wide range of sporting organisations, I know at first hand how sport can play an important part in helping with the development of young people, contribute to crime reduction & encourage a healthy lifestyle.
This could be the last opportunity for some time to create the facilities the district badly needs & the public merit. These proposals deserve to succeed & possess the necessary qualities to be worthy of strong financial support."

Councillor Peter Box – Leader, Wakefield Council & Joanne Roney – Chief ExecutiveWakefield Council
“Wakefield Council is happy to support this project. The District is proud of its rugby league heritage and this new development will ensure the sustainability of this heritage for years to come. As a Council we are committed to ensuring that people have the quality of opportunity to participate in healthier and active lifestyles. Sport plays a positive role in many people's lives. It is valued in its own right for the friendship, fun, challenge and enjoyment it brings. Sport is often at the heart of the community helping places live and thrive. These types of projects will help us to achieve stronger, more sustainable, and cohesive communities as well as improving health, tackling obesity and transforming people's lives. It will create a hub of sporting excellence which we will welcome into the district.”

Councillor Mark Crowther – Conservative Leader, Wakefield Council
"I am delighted to lend my support to this proposed development. The new stadium has the potential to not only provide an excellent focal point for top quality sport both inside and outside the district, but to also act as a catalyst for the promotion of sport, physical activity and the arising health and social cohesion benefits within all of the communities in our area."

Mary Creagh MP – Member of Parliament for the Wakefield Parliamentary Constituency
"I am happy to support plans for a new Wakefield district stadium. The new stadium will open up a range of sports and leisure activities to everyone in our city. It will also secure the future of our much loved rugby league heritage and provide a new home for other sports clubs from across the district."

Ed Balls, Member of Parliament for Normanton & Shadow Chancellor
“The Wildcats are a keystone of our community in Wakefield. It's important that the team have a top-class venue to callhome, so I'm fully backing plans for a new stadium. As a community stadium, it will also open up sporting opportunities to people across the district - so it's good news for sports teams, families, and young people in our area.”

David Hinchliffe – Wakefield & District Community Trust, former Wakefield MP and former Chair of Commons Health Select Committee
"Having supported Wakefield Trinity RLFC since I was a boy and been involved in sport throughout my life, it is a privilege to be part of the team putting together proposals for exciting new facilities which will be a major asset for Wakefield people and the wider West Yorkshire community. Not only will the new Stadium offer a fine new home for one of this country's most famous sports clubs but the facilities will make a massive contribution to the improved health, fitness and well-being of local people."

Nagi Dinesh – Associate Medical Director, Mid-Yorkshire NHS Trust
“Being physically active and taking regular part in sports activities is an important component of staying healthy and tackling many long term conditions such as diabetes, blood pressure and heart disease. There is a national drive for us to become more active and having a facility such as Newmarket is an exciting project which will give a new hope to those who find it hard to avail themselves due to lack of facilities which promote being active. As a practicing clinician, I feel such a facility will offer us a chance to look at delivering education and support to people who need it the most. This is such an exciting opportunity and we have the responsibility to make sure that it happens.”

Paul Lord – Chairman, Stanley Rangers ARLFC
"Rugby is a fantastic sport and is an intrinsic part of the cultural heritage of Wakefield and District. The proposed community stadium will provide inspiration for current and future generations of players, and provide excellent additional facilities that are geared up to help to improve sport at all levels. We are happy to lend our support to the project."

Kevin Dodd – Wakefield and District Housing
“Wakefield and District Housing fully support these proposals and believe they will provide a lasting legacy for the local area. In addition to boosting sporting facilities they will also attract inward investment.”

May I draw your attention to the following articles and websites?
www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/wak ... _1_3021505
www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/n ... _1_2244461
www.superleaguefans.com/wakefiel ... ments.html
www.swag-online.co.uk/
www.wakefieldanddistrictcommunitytrust.co.uk/

Richard


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If only he did read that personally!! Superb detail The clan, very well put! eusa_clap.gif eusa_clap.gif eusa_clap.gif

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I don't know if it's relevant - or helpful - but just as a matter of fact the Leeds Council have failed to make friends rlin this instancerl nor on page 33 of this weeks Rugby League Express where it is reported that Leeds Council have asked for £300 for Hunslet Hawks Women to rent a playing field and £80 for a training session.
I don't live in the area.Is it a Labour Council ? I thought The Conservatives were trying to right the wrongs.

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[b:1swa1vwo]Change is inevitable ...except from a vending machine![/b:1swa1vwo] [quote="BillyRhino":1swa1vwo]So in best IA mode ..<.Possibley World Class, could be the greatest thing since sliced bread....am personally very excited, and confidently expect him to prove my predictions are bang on target.... Alternatively he could be rubbish> IA mode off. :wink:[/quote:1swa1vwo]:33791.jpg



Quote: TwoBlues "I don't know if it's relevant - or helpful - but just as a matter of fact the Leeds Council have failed to make friends rlin this instancerl nor on page 33 of this weeks Rugby League Express where it is reported that Leeds Council have asked for £300 for Hunslet Hawks Women to rent a playing field and £80 for a training session.
I don't live in the area.Is it a Labour Council ? I thought The Conservatives were trying to right the wrongs.'"


Leeds is a minority labour controlled council with the Green party holding the balance of power... by one vote! I never thought about this before, but this could add to the Newmarket issue a little. Of course the leader of Leeds City Council is Keith Wakefield who is a member for the.... Methley Ward!!!

I also suspect that Labour will take overall control of Leeds in May, when the Lib Dems and Tory's take a kicking in local elections in Leeds and in general, which will mean the Greens will go back to be of no relevance to anyone and Mr Wakefield will be firmly in the driving seat!

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Quote: Tricky2309 "Noticed Scabby Cat and one of I presume the WAR brigade have gone on to add their two penneth (usual crap from them I might add).

Wonder what the WAR viewpoint would be if they were given a straight choice between the development proposed by Yorkcourt or a Travellers site !!!'"



yes he comes over as a little boy whos had his Nintendo DS confiscated by daddy, if thats the best argument against then let the nimbys live

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[b:1swa1vwo]Change is inevitable ...except from a vending machine![/b:1swa1vwo] [quote="BillyRhino":1swa1vwo]So in best IA mode ..<.Possibley World Class, could be the greatest thing since sliced bread....am personally very excited, and confidently expect him to prove my predictions are bang on target.... Alternatively he could be rubbish> IA mode off. :wink:[/quote:1swa1vwo]:33791.jpg



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Quote: Tricky2309 "Noticed Scabby Cat and one of I presume the WAR brigade have gone on to add their two penneth (usual crap from them I might add).

Wonder what the WAR viewpoint would be if they were given a straight choice between the development proposed by Yorkcourt or a Travellers site !!!'"



Have not seen that name since the last time i looked in my Ban Box icon_biggrin.gif

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Great posts guys. That 1 by the Newmarket resident as my blood boiling stating us as a failing club and a bleak future. This is exactly why we need this ground aaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhh!!! some people

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[b:1swa1vwo]Change is inevitable ...except from a vending machine![/b:1swa1vwo] [quote="BillyRhino":1swa1vwo]So in best IA mode ..<.Possibley World Class, could be the greatest thing since sliced bread....am personally very excited, and confidently expect him to prove my predictions are bang on target.... Alternatively he could be rubbish> IA mode off. :wink:[/quote:1swa1vwo]:33791.jpg



Quote: BIGAL1 "Have not seen that name since the last time i looked in my Ban Box
I don't get it at all, I really don't! I understand that on another fans forum I have taken over TRB's crown as most vilified poster by some posters banned from this board or RL Fans altogether, just because of the work I am doing on Newmarket! Despite the fact I fully support GH and don't have any issues with Castleford at all, they have vilified me because in (what is still a small minority of posters) their warped minds supporting Newmarket means I must be anti Cas and GH! The only conclusion I can draw is that because they think in this way that this justifies in their own minds this odd view!

Our friend Rugbyball is good fun but he/she is also still clearly a Fev fan who has issues with Wakefield and Newmarket because it is linked with Trinity. I just don't get it, more so now Newmarket will not be part of Wakefield's franchise application... it has now has no impact and arguably they have the advantage!

Am I missing something... genuine question?

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Quote: Inflatable_Armadillo "I don't get it at all, I really don't! I understand that on another fans forum I have taken over TRB's crown as most vilified poster by some posters banned from this board or RL Fans altogether, just because of the work I am doing on Newmarket! Despite the fact I fully support GH and don't have any issues with Castleford at all, they have vilified me because in (what is still a small minority of posters) their warped minds supporting Newmarket means I must be anti Cas and GH! The only conclusion I can draw is that because they think in this way that this justifies in their own minds this odd view!

Our friend Rugbyball is good fun but he/she is also still clearly a Fev fan who has issues with Wakefield and Newmarket because it is linked with Trinity. I just don't get it, more so now Newmarket will not be part of Wakefield's franchise application... it has now has no impact and arguably they have the advantage!

Am I missing something... genuine question?'"


Because fans of our rival clubs don't want us to get a new stadium as the potential for Wakefield as a club playing out of state of the facilities is massive and they can't handle the thought of that.

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Quote: Inflatable_Armadillo "Leeds is a minority labour controlled council with the Green party holding the balance of power... by one vote! I never thought about this before, but this could add to the Newmarket issue a little. Of course the leader of Leeds City Council is Keith Wakefield who is a member for the.... Methley Ward!!!

I also suspect that Labour will take overall control of Leeds in May, when the Lib Dems and Tory's take a kicking in local elections in Leeds and in general, which will mean the Greens will go back to be of no relevance to anyone and Mr Wakefield will be firmly in the driving seat!'"


Ok I will help you out, of course some of it is Fev bias, but not all of it my friend. I understand your capitalist ideals really I do, however not everybody holds your view. You took offence at the way the nimbys have run their campaign and to be honest I think they have done a poor job too, their are clear areas where they have real grounds and they should stick to these. To look at the other side of the agrument let me take you back to the first public meeting YC held on the development, it was hardly advertised except for on here, and then at the meeting the emphisis was on the stadium, lots of pretty pictures of what the stadium etc yet know real details on the how the units would look! Call me cynical but you can see where Im going. Indeed you could say this is fair game, but in my opinion the meeting was a chance for local residents to have their minds put at ease, instead it was taken over by WTWC from all corners of the district. I also note this meeting was used as affirmation of support at the planning hearing.

On the jobs front the amounts of NEW jobs are unclear. Lets say for example Morrisons decided that their current site is unsuitable and outdated and they move to Newmarket they would not be creating new jobs, in fact jobs may be lost due to new tech and more efficient working practises. I remember you using the argument that much of the available to let warehousing in the district is out of date, when countering the claim that their are units un let. These out of date units in reality will be pulled down and new buildings could replace them which would count against the legal requirement. Also when it comes to the legal requirement it is over a set number of years and although there may not be the required land at the minute, over the time frame land will become available.

On the stadium front, I may be wrong here but I suspect that it is not being paid for by YC rather the land is being given bye YC. And more so I think the community would better benefit from a facility like Ponds Forge in Sheffield not a stadium only to be used by one team, and a couple of 3g pitches. The notion that these facilities will be "world class" or some how will put Wakefield on the map are just daft, you do not hear people saying "Bolton that place with the world class stadium and sports facilities, lets go their".

One final point is you say you started your campaign out of frustration at the untruths spread by the nimbys yet you rarely correct untruths on here. For example The Clan talked about Greenbelt this morning totally out of context in his post to the PM.

Ps please excuse the grammar, spelling, and punctuation etc, I know you use this as some sore of intellect scoring system.

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