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| Fair enough pop tart we are all entitled to our opinions. But quite frankly i am just bored with watching Wakefield at the moment, and i NEVER thought i would ever hear myself say that.
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| Quote: Trinity Till Death "I disagree regarding Jeffries. For me he isn't a general, he's never going to lead you around the park or control a game but he's more than capable of being an outstanding foil and assistant for a quality scrum halve. The problem for Jeffries is too much is expected of him because we don't have a SH.'"
Jeffries looked good at the start of the season but that was when he was in partnership with Brough.
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| I would just like to know how long do some people need before they accept Jeffries is not the answer to our half back problem? Yes he has all the talent but is not interested in using it on a regular basis. 5/6 seasons with us and 1 with Bradford have more than proved this.....the man is a jelly .
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| Quote: Trinity Till Death "I disagree regarding Jeffries. For me he isn't a general, he's never going to lead you around the park or control a game but he's more than capable of being an outstanding foil and assistant for a quality scrum halve. The problem for Jeffries is too much is expected of him because we don't have a SH.'"
Well said matey, spot on
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| Quote: Captain Dave "Those fingers will be drumming away big time.'"
not if he breaks them
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| Quote: PopTart "Not everyone agrees with you about change of coach. We haven't had one vote yet that the majority agree with losing JK.'"
well what a suprise im shocked.
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| At last two good comments about BJ. He is not an organiser and never will be as has been said when playing alondside DB he sheveryone exactly what is strength is and that he is a poacher who needs other people to put him into the gaps and then he will score the tries.
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| Quote: Trinity Till Death "I disagree regarding Jeffries. For me he isn't a general, he's never going to lead you around the park or control a game but he's more than capable of being an outstanding foil and assistant for a quality scrum halve. The problem for Jeffries is too much is expected of him because we don't have a SH.'"
Agree this is a excellent post he looked a good player at start OF SEASON with Brough. Kear instead of signing props should be getting a replacement for Brough and maybe we see jeffries playing well again its no coincidence we got so many wins when enthusiasm and partnerships were there if we had this attitude and the key men had gone from start we would be bottom of league by a mile. Its annoying people paying there hard earned money and we still have a chance of the 8 we should be up for it most of the players who played sunday and last week spat in the face of the fans you can slag me off all you like but they have done its half heartedness associated with football they are taking a wage at the moment and there is no pride there its disgusting to witness. Can't believe there were some wakey fans who clapped that shower at the end sunday. I can take it if we get beat and try but not trying and get embarrased like that its a joke to the fans. NO HEART !!!
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| Quote: PopTart "I just think you are confusing majority with noisy.
I'm not saying they haven't been pushed to the limit and I can understand the feeling, but there are many who recognise the other factors involved and it isn't just a get rid of the coach situation.
Whenever we have a vote, so it is just a yes or no rather than an arguement over a specific issue, JK always comes out (some times only marginally) more popular, so I'm reading that as the same people saying they want him out over and over give the impression that is the majority view but in reality it ios not.'"
Yet the people that dont want Kear to be replaced seem to have no substance for their logic in wanting him to stay.
Its the same story:
He saved us from relegation.
Theres no one better for the same money
Theres no one better who would come to us
Its not his fault - players leaving/limited budget/injuries
But the people that want him out,seem to focus on his coaching ability or lack of it,which has been shown up this season,indeed the guys whole dignity and integrity has been called into question this season.
Just reading back over some of his comments this season after heavy defeats,it becomes quite clear he has lost the plot.
The fact he wanted to leave for Catalans should tell every supporter that his heart isnt in the Wakefield job,hes quite simply taking the money week in week out and will continue to do so until an alternative postion comes up or his contract expires.
He is taking the pi$$ out of the club and every single paying supporter.
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| Quote: TURFEDOUT "Yet the people that dont want Kear to be replaced seem to have no substance for their logic in wanting him to stay.
Its the same story
Look this arguement could go on forever. I would say there is less substance to saying he isn't a good coach based on some bad performances for part of this season when in previous seasons he has been seen as an exceptional coach (not just a good one)
Either way, and I respect your right to say what you think, I want to give him chance to have the off season to regroup and start again.
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| Quote: TURFEDOUT "Yet the people that dont want Kear to be replaced seem to have no substance for their logic in wanting him to stay.
Its the same story
For me that has never been a reason for keeping Kear you cannot live on past glories for ever that said he did also take us to 9th, I think, and then 5th last season so these achievements combined for me gives him some breathing space.
Quote: TURFEDOUT "Theres no one better for the same money.'"
The logic in this is that it's taken 11 years to find someone who has taken us above 11th for more than just 1 season. I'm not saying there isn't better out there but do you trust Ted and co to appoint someone better? Remember Jimmy Lowes was offered the job before Kear, where would we be now had he taken over?
Quote: TURFEDOUT "Theres no one better who would come to us.'"
Again it's more down to who is making the decision. Rather than just getting rid of Kear I'd like to have a good idea of who would be coming in so I could make a judgement on that. My fear is if Kear goes Broadbent will just step up to taking care of all first team duties and another wage is saved without being replaced.
Quote: TURFEDOUT "Its not his fault - players leaving/limited budget/injuries.'"
This is a huge consideration for Kear and for any coach before or after him. The budget will always be small and most on here have praised Kear for bringing players in on the cheap and making them play like they were on a kings ransom. The problem is then that come contract time they want a kings ransom or they bugger off elsewhere. The departures this year could not have been more significant. Brough was the leader of the team and results often hung on whether he was having a good day or not which he often did. Tronc, when his heart was still in it, was a massive influence making massive yards and with a great off load.
Quote: TURFEDOUT "But the people that want him out,seem to focus on his coaching ability or lack of it,which has been shown up this season,indeed the guys whole dignity and integrity has been called into question this season.
Just reading back over some of his comments this season after heavy defeats,it becomes quite clear he has lost the plot.
The fact he wanted to leave for Catalans should tell every supporter that his heart isnt in the Wakefield job,hes quite simply taking the money week in week out and will continue to do so until an alternative postion comes up or his contract expires.
He is taking the pi$$ out of the club and every single paying supporter.'"
At what point did he start to lack coaching ability? At the start of the season when we beat Leeds and were unbeaten? When Brough left? When he went for the Catalans job? When we got thumped by, insert team name here,?
Even if Kear's heart wasn't in it, and I have no reason to suspect it isn't as plenty of people apply for other jobs but continue at their present employment with no problems, what good does it do his future job prospects if the team is doing badly?
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| Not going to question his coaching one way or the other, but after saying he wanted to lead us into the new stadium to now searching for new jobs does not sit well with me.
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| I don't believe Kear has lost the plot, so much as he is a coach under pressure. Any person in any walk of life will when they are not performing to the best of there ability will look to use distractions to avoid placing themselves in the direct firing line.
With JK it is not a case of losing the plot or becoming a bad coach. It is simply a case of the man has reached his limit of ability with Wakefield as he did with Hull previously. I understand that he should go and I am all for it based on current team performance, but is it really worth making a change now with only three games to go. The change should have been made weeks if not months ago.
I believe that maybe keeping him place until the end of the season is not ideal with the (how I see it) majority it is the only logical thing to do now.
Put it another way if he were to go say after the Wire game then there are only two games remaining, no doubt Paul Broadbent would take temporary charge and to be fair very little would change in playing style or team commitment. The pupil would most probably coach in the same manner as the teacher.
If I am not mistaken, isn't JK on the board of Directors in some capacity, if he is then he is hardly going to advocate is own sacking is he??
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| Quote: nakb "I don't believe Kear has lost the plot, so much as he is a coach under pressure. Any person in any walk of life will when they are not performing to the best of there ability will look to use distractions to avoid placing themselves in the direct firing line.
With JK it is not a case of losing the plot or becoming a bad coach. It is simply a case of the man has reached his limit of ability with Wakefield as he did with Hull previously. I understand that he should go and I am all for it based on current team performance, but is it really worth making a change now with only three games to go. The change should have been made weeks if not months ago.
I believe that maybe keeping him place until the end of the season is not ideal with the (how I see it) majority it is the only logical with to do now.
Put it another way if he were to go say after the Wire game then there are only two games remaining, no doubt Paul Broadbent would take temporary charge and to be fair very little would change in playing style or team commitment. The pupil would most probably coach in the same manner as the teacher.
If I am not mistaken, isn't JK on the board of Directors in some capacity, if he is then he is hardly going to advocate is own sacking is he??'"
Perhaps a move upstairs would be mutually agreed. Trinity can't afford to dismiss him, Kear will only go if there is another job to walk into.
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