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Quote: deeHell "Moore/Wilkes for Carvell, Burrows for Bridge, Gleeson for Sykes.
In the Larger train on squad Ferguson for Harrison.
Do you not think that Smith has showed any bias in his selections then?'"


Brough over Myler?

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Quote: bloomers "Brough over Myler?'"


Yes of course that was my original point.

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Quote: deeHell "Moore/Wilkes for Carvell, Burrows for Bridge, Gleeson for Sykes.
In the Larger train on squad Ferguson for Harrison.
Do you not think that Smith has showed any bias in his selections then?'"


If he's so biased towards Warrington why is Sykes in there? The inly one I'd change is LMS for Carvell. Bridge is a surprise but you can't pick Burrow to go in the centres.

Do I think he is biased? No. I'd rather have this squad than one with the usual suspects who faile to perform year in, year out.

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Quote: t-r-i-n-i-t-y "If he's so biased towards Warrington why is Sykes in there? The inly one I'd change is LMS for Carvell. Bridge is a surprise but you can't pick Burrow to go in the centres.

Do I think he is biased? No. I'd rather have this squad than one with the usual suspects who faile to perform year in, year out.'"


the clincher for me is if he does not pick leon pryce for the big games, no form no class and cant raise his game, if hes picked smith has bottled it!

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Quote: bloomers "Brough over Myler?'"


at this moment in time, for this 4Ns,
Absolutely!

Brough has a far superior game than Myler
control and dictation of the match
short kicking game
long kicking game
goal kicking
passing game
defence
speed on a par

but most of all the three things that Danny has over any of the half backs in the squad are:
experience
mental strength
attitude

Myler, Eastmond & Tomkins may all become better players than Brough but at this moment in time none of them are a better option at scrum half against Aus & NZ.

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gonna be shot at for saying this but here goes, Brough played for Scotland and should never be considered to be picked for England and the same goes for any other player who has represented any country at any level no matter who or how good they are should not be allowed to switch nationalities just to get a game,

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Quote: chapster "the clincher for me is if he does not pick leon pryce for the big games, no form no class and cant raise his game, if hes picked smith has bottled it!'"


Well he's not in the squad.

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Quote: kentcat "gonna be shot at for saying this but here goes, Brough played for Scotland and should never be considered to be picked for England and the same goes for any other player who has represented any country at any level no matter who or how good they are should not be allowed to switch nationalities just to get a game,

right head down for the flak coming my way
that's ok untill you factor in the RFL moving the goalpoasts by scrapping GB.

Brough and many others made a choice to represent the Celtic nations in the knoweledge that GB would still offer them the chance to play against Aus & NZ. As soon as GB was scrapped by The RFL that door was closed and the only way for those players to have a chance of taking the field against the best was to switch back to England.

So don't blame Brough and co blame the RFL for moving the goalposts

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Quote: t-r-i-n-i-t-y "Well he's not in the squad.'"


shows how much the 4n has grasped my gnat like attention span!

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Quote: The Clan "at this moment in time, for this 4Ns,
Absolutely!

Brough has a far superior game than Myler
control and dictation of the match
short kicking game
long kicking game
goal kicking
passing game
defence
speed on a par

but most of all the three things that Danny has over any of the half backs in the squad are

Apologies, it was a rhetorical question, I've always been converted to the argument.

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Quote: kentcat "gonna be shot at for saying this but here goes, Brough played for Scotland and should never be considered to be picked for England and the same goes for any other player who has represented any country at any level no matter who or how good they are should not be allowed to switch nationalities just to get a game,

right head down for the flak coming my way
Doesn't DB have to sit out a year before he can be considered for selection for England? Not sure if the year is up yet (although it must be close), which might also explain the omission.

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Quote: The Clan "

but most of all the three things that Danny has over any of the half backs in the squad aremental strength
attitude

Myler, Eastmond & Tomkins may all become better players than Brough but at this moment in time none of them are a better option at scrum half against Aus & NZ.'"


Tomkins wins those two comfortably.

Experience will come in with time.

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Quote: The Clan "that's ok untill you factor in the RFL moving the goalpoasts by scrapping GB.

Brough and many others made a choice to represent the Celtic nations in the knoweledge that GB would still offer them the chance to play against Aus & NZ. As soon as GB was scrapped by The RFL that door was closed and the only way for those players to have a chance of taking the field against the best was to switch back to England.

So don't blame Brough and co blame the RFL for moving the goalposts'"


I've some sympathy with your view, but I think I agree with kentcat. How can Scotland, for example, build anything if their squad one year jumps ship the next just because the players fancy the brighter lights. Look at Carvell. He has played for Wales, and so playing for England he not only weakens the Welsh side, but he denies the chance for an England youngster.

I would like to see players decide on their international side early on and then be made to stick with it. Look at the farce down under, where half the New Zealand tri-nations winning side were playing for other countries in the World Cup. At least Great Britain was always a composite side.

FWIW, I would prefer to see GB back anyway. Give me a GB-Aus test series over any other international rugby league idea.

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Quote: Slugger McBatt "Give me a GB-Aus test series over any other international rugby league idea.'"


And therein lies the problem. That's how most feel it seems, which makes it hard to sell any other clash to the rugby league punter.

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Quote: Rogues Gallery "Tomkins wins those two comfortably.

Experience will come in with time.'"


not in my opinion.

Brough has seen a lot more pressure and adversity in his career.
He's seen life in the lower divisions, experienced Grand Finals and a CC final and captained a team in a world cup out in Australia. He's been written off as a junior and as a senior and has had to rebuild his career on both occasions.
I think his mental strength has been tested and proven more than a young Sam Tomkins.

As for attitude, I'm talking about the type of attitude that all good scrum halves should have, the type of attitude that Andy Gregory and Alex Murphy had and the type of attitude we've craved in an English scrum half for years.

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