Gaskill at 13, you having a laugh. I bet Derek Turner would come back from beyond the grave to play against him

It’s that desperate imho. I know it’s a bold move but Crowther was a huge stunt for attack tonight.

Seriously watch the game again. Ball was sent along the line numerous times and hit Crowther in the middle begging for it to be shifted into space but he consistently ran it into the middle.

Yes he ran it in hard but it’s massively dumb rugby. He’s not an offloaded and can’t promote the ball like Westerman etc so he needs to either work on his passing or find a way to take the ball to the line and release a pass or draw defenders.

He’s all the effort in the world but the smarts and skill aren’t good enough.

Maybe Gaskell isn’t the answer but we have huge issues at 9 and 13 especially that must be sorted.

Tanginoa will instantly improve our edge forward attacking threat. Pitts has played well last 2 games so there’s only 1 player missing out for me and that’s Ashurst.

Maybe we run with Bowden at loose? I’m sure he’s played plenty there over the years (I think).

Heck, was clear to see the issue areas tonight but fixing them isn’t as easy.

I’m trying to think of how it could be improved

If you want a bit of creativity at 13 then Langi is the only option we have with Gaskell at centre, although it's not a position he's played a lot of. Problem is he's just had his best game for us at centre and there has to be some doubts about whether his body can handle the extra workload. He seems held together by sticky tape most of the time.

Col, that's a poor post from you. We shouldn't even be thinking about playing Wakey until we have played Salford.

Leeds fan in peace…Where have the team gone that played at Leeds on Boxing Day? What has happened?

You played some incredible flowing attacking Rugby that day and destroyed an admittedly young Leeds team last 15-20 mins of the game.

Why has it gone so far downhill for you?

He came on, penalty straight away. Runs it in with the same impact as a 13 year old playing open age. Hands on hips after 10 minutes. The lads an embarrassment. Genuinely can anyone think of a worse prop we’ve signed then him, I’m struggling.

No club statement. Are they just burying their heads in the sand?

Hickey

Well without causing a thread drift I wouldn’t be on a Wakey forum talking about a Leigh v Salford game would I - it was more a comment as to how important it was for Wakey on a Wakey forum, now you trot on and get on with your hyperlink edits

They fact that the young Leeds team you talk about were winning until they tired in that last 20 should tell you all you need to know. This squad of ours isn’t super league quality and the coaching set up can’t make it greater than the sum of its parts. That is why we are doomed.

Very hard to take anything positive from that. Extremely poor from the majority. Big changes needed if we're going to compete with anyone this year.

The plus is Cas weren't much better than us, FC look dreadful as they're playing KR now.

Time to get our together, starting with a new coach.

For anyone watching todays game you’d be forgiven for thinking different rules apply and the referees officiate differently…


Case in point:

On 9 minutes Wigan player makes a mess of play of ball. Lees doesn’t have a hand on him. Penalty to Wigan for messing about. Commentators saying Saints hard done to.

Yesterday: Dagger has Broadbent fall all over him as he’s trying to play ball. Broadbent hands on pushes him off balance. Knock on against trinity. Commentators saying should have been a Trinity penalty.

That led to our pressure vs Cas 12 men releasing and I think shortly after Cas svored the try that took game away. This was also a play after Dagger copped one in the face from Cas player to split his eye open. Appealed to ref who ignored it despite blood pouring from his eye.

Are referees applying the rules differently???

Do lower teams get officiated more harshly due to a perception they don’t have the skill levels to do things as correctly as top clubs?

It’s bad enough watching the poor performances but it’s just as bad seeing terribly inconsistent officiating that may not decide games but it certainly influences play and momentum.

Mopsey I already said that about the team. That was not the point. I am not blaming the ref and I’m not allowing you to derail my question on referee consistency in applying rules into a conversation about the clubs management. We can discuss that after if you wish.

So you are saying you believe the decision against Dagger for a knock on was a correct interpretation of the rules?

After watching the saints/Wigan game lesser messing about a penalty was given to the player playing the ball. I’m genuinely confused as to where the line is drawn for a penalty. It doesn’t add up unless referees apply rules differently.

I have to agree.
The ref wasn't why we lost but he made it more difficult.
Cas defense on the line was string because they were consistently offside.
There was one I saw where the ref was stood on the line to get them back and he had to look around the Cas player stood in front of him to see the play.