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| Quote: vastman "Planning permission would not be a huge issue, mainly because precedents have already been set. This is how planning and the law in the U.K. tends to work.
There was an existing structure there up until 1987. It was a fairly tall structure, but most importantly it was there long before the houses.
Then in 1990 the old boxes were erected, which again are quite tall. Not long after a TV gantry was added. So at no point have most of those houses not had some obstructed view from the rugby ground.
Added to this the gardens are very long and at no point would a stand similar in height to the old stand deprive less than 50% of the garden area of sunlight for more than a few hours a day.
It would be hard to argue that a new stand, even a relatively tall one would have a significant effect. If done sympathetically it would be very easy to argue that a new stand would vastly improve the residents outlook.
The only issue would be capacity. Due to noise and access issues you’d struggle to get a big increase. I think the most the planners would go for would be around what it is now, max maybe 3,000 at a push. However with the edition of boxes and bars and maybe a media suit on a second level you’d probably offset the potential loss and make the stand a viable proposition.
A clever architect and an even smarter planning specialist would easily push that through. Especially as we now have a far more sympathetic council. As we know, Ellis only buys the best
Finally let’s not forget that we have the South end of the ground. There is easily enough room for a 3-5,000 capacity stand there depending on the configuration should we ever need it. So we are very lucky in that respect.'"
I think you have more experience of this than me but I'm not sure the old stand will help us this much in the planning.
When it was built there were no planning permission rules and the people currently living in the houses would have bought the houses with nothing between them and the evening sun.
But hopefully the fact that the Belle Vue side is slightly lower than the houses will mean there's nothing really to contest.
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| Quote: PopTart "I think you have more experience of this than me but I'm not sure the old stand will help us this much in the planning.
When it was built there were no planning permission rules and the people currently living in the houses would have bought the houses with nothing between them and the evening sun.
But hopefully the fact that the Belle Vue side is slightly lower than the houses will mean there's nothing really to contest.'"
Are you blind, how long have you been going to Belle Vue ? the evening sun sets behind the houses, not at the ground side.
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| I do hope that whatever is planned doesn't get objections.
It can only be beneficial to the area.
Talking of which- how come no action is taken to prevent the dumping of settees, fridges etc etc In the alleyways approaching the ground from Agbrigg?
It's an absolute disgrace - God knows what visiting supports think!
Even worse are some of the gardens adjacent to the ground- must be rat infested - there was even what looked like a bus engine dumped there!
How do they get away with it? What's the point in ME spending millions on the inside when the council are clearly not doing their job on the outside?
Makes me think they don't want to upset the residents !
To hell either that it needs sorting out!
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| Quote: Prince Buster "Are you blind, how long have you been going to Belle Vue ? the evening sun sets behind the houses, not at the ground side.'"
Oh yes of course. Lol.
Sunrise then. Same point.
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| Quote: 1315trinity "I do hope that whatever is planned doesn't get objections.
It can only be beneficial to the area.
Talking of which- how come no action is taken to prevent the dumping of settees, fridges etc etc In the alleyways approaching the ground from Agbrigg?
It's an absolute disgrace - God knows what visiting supports think!
Even worse are some of the gardens adjacent to the ground- must be rat infested - there was even what looked like a bus engine dumped there!
How do they get away with it? What's the point in ME spending millions on the inside when the council are clearly not doing their job on the outside?
Makes me think they don't want to upset the residents !
To hell either that it needs sorting out!'"
Council should be cleaning the alley.
The gardens you'd have to prove a serious health risk.
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| Quote: PopTart "Council should be cleaning the alley.
The gardens you'd have to prove a serious health risk.'"
Residents shouldn't be fly tipping in the alley, the council have a rubbish collection service for larger items and are strapped for cash as it is without having to deal with that. I suspect the problem is that many of the homes are rented and the landlords don't give a toss about the aesthetic appeal of the area.
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| Quote: PopTart "Council should be cleaning the alley.
The gardens you'd have to prove a serious health risk.'"
I agree - if you've seen the 'gardens' I refer to I don't think it would take much proving.
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| Quote: AgbriggAmbler "Residents shouldn't be fly tipping in the alley, the council have a rubbish collection service for larger items and are strapped for cash as it is without having to deal with that. I suspect the problem is that many of the homes are rented and the landlords don't give a toss about the aesthetic appeal of the area.'"
I think you're not far off the mark there!
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| Quote: 1315trinity "I think you're not far off the mark there!'"
I'm certain of it. I've heard tales of one landlord in particular, a nasty character well known to the council.
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| I moved in with a buddy on Catherine St 30 years ago and I have never seen anything like it in a property, wanted condemning.
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| Quote: AgbriggAmbler "I'm certain of it. I've heard tales of one landlord in particular, a nasty character well known to the council.'"
WDH?
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| Quote: Khlav Kalash "https'"
Yeah, it’s basically off the shelf pre-formed concrete. I think it’s the same whether it’s seating or standing.
For me the logical next step is to carry it on around the corner to the west terrace. It would be cheap and give a nice flow to the ground. Obviously you’d add extra to meme it deeper on the west. It’s basically concrete Lego, you just add what you need. Then add a simple roof with a TV gantry, job done.
I really wouldn’t spend big on the west terrace. Just needs to be smart and functional. For me it’s the South that offers the real potential for development. Far more space and much better access.
Suspect you already knew most of that.
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| Quote: vastman "Yeah, it’s basically off the shelf pre-formed concrete. I think it’s the same whether it’s seating or standing.
For me the logical next step is to carry it on around the corner to the west terrace. It would be cheap and give a nice flow to the ground. Obviously you’d add extra to meme it deeper on the west. It’s basically concrete Lego, you just add what you need. Then add a simple roof with a TV gantry, job done.
I really wouldn’t spend big on the west terrace. Just needs to be smart and functional. For me it’s the South that offers the real potential for development. Far more space and much better access.
Suspect you already knew most of that.'"
It would make sense, although I'd like to see a second tier added to the west, much like the end stand at Leeds.
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| Quote: vastman "Yeah, it’s basically off the shelf pre-formed concrete. I think it’s the same whether it’s seating or standing.
For me the logical next step is to carry it on around the corner to the west terrace. It would be cheap and give a nice flow to the ground. Obviously you’d add extra to meme it deeper on the west. It’s basically concrete Lego, you just add what you need. Then add a simple roof with a TV gantry, job done.
I really wouldn’t spend big on the west terrace. Just needs to be smart and functional. For me it’s the South that offers the real potential for development. Far more space and much better access.
Suspect you already knew most of that.'"
The west only needs basic facilities with a bar/refreshment facilities in the middle. The problem with the south is to replace the south revenue from the flats and build a stand of capacity you’d be looking at multiple millions. I’m not sure that you’d get much more than the few hundred hospitality than we have now.
It would be nice to see though.
I suspect though that we’ll just bang a few hundred seats/terracing in front and connect it to the ground floor of the boxes.
Anyone know if the work has started on the south east sports bar and restaraunt yet?
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