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| I've got to say that yesterday really highlighted Finn as a weak link. I'm not sure how good an idea it is for him to be playing with an injury to his hand which requires surgery, both for Finn and the team. Personally I'd play Hampshire at 7 and Jowitt at full back for the foreseeable future and see if they can achieve some continuity. At the moment, it looks like Chester still doesn't know who his best 17 are. The season is getting on a bit now, we really need a settled team.
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| Quote: phe13 "Finn is getting a lot of flak on here, but were the other pivots any better (and have they been recently?). Does one man now make a team?'"
It can make a hell of a difference in a close game though.
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| Quote: Wollo-Wollo-Wollo-Wayoo "It can make a hell of a difference in a close game though.'"
I agree, but 18 points down to begin with don't help the cause and that wasn't Finn's fault (at least not all his fault).
I am not saying that Finn has been playing to his previous seasons form, or even his form earlier in the season, but there are other players that have been nowhere near their previous form. For example, there were 3 overseas players on Sunday that haven't been mentioned/criticised on here that were vitually non-existant during the game.
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| Quote: phe13 "I agree, but 18 points down to begin with don't help the cause and that wasn't Finn's fault (at least not all his fault).
I am not saying that Finn has been playing to his previous seasons form, or even his form earlier in the season, but there are other players that have been nowhere near their previous form. For example, there were 3 overseas players on Sunday that haven't been mentioned/criticised on here that were vitually non-existant during the game.'"
Regarding your overseas players, the player that has had least impact is Horo and young Crowther or Batchelor could certainly give us more.
Crowther was tackling everything that moved in the pre season games but cant get a spot on the bench, for a gold pig.
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| Quote: phe13 "I agree, but 18 points down to begin with don't help the cause and that wasn't Finn's fault (at least not all his fault).
I am not saying that Finn has been playing to his previous seasons form, or even his form earlier in the season, but there are other players that have been nowhere near their previous form. For example, there were 3 overseas players on Sunday that haven't been mentioned/criticised on here that were vitually non-existant during the game.'"
Be interested to know which overseas players you are referring to??
Fifita - Made his usual good meters and caused them problems
Pauli - Think arguably had his best game for us
Arona - I thought he ran it in well and tackled well although I dont think he has quite hit his form of last season.
Tupou - Didn't get enough ball but when he did looked a threat
Horo - I thought he tackled well and was one of the few towards the end who looked like making something happen
Miller - Didn't have his best game so would agree with you if he is one of them
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| Finn has been our best pound for pound signing but he's finished. He's lost even more speed this year.
Randell looks slow remember last year he was fantastic. Think they are on the Yorkshire pudding diet this year
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| rocky and Jowitt were in the team at HULL and LEEDS so yes there is better combinations we scored trys with overlaps moved the ball while moving forward .Miller,Randel and Wood looked to have more room to play .At cas in a bog called a field we scored a good try with a overlap which was not given by the V Ref .Think playing Finn is now like playing with 12 men
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| I agree about Finn but I'm still not convinced of MJ at the moment and fullback is as important as scrum half these days.
Grix gives us a lot of leadership on the field and that is being missed at the moment.
I'm not sure which I'd prefer Hampshire to play. I do like him at fullback while we desperately need the change at scrum half.
If we got someone like Matty Smith to the end of the season I'd put Rocky to fullback to give us speed and ball handling skills that are much needed.
If not then he has to play Jowitt and Hampshire plays scrum half.....unless we suddenly have another option for fullback but they are like gold dust at the moment unless we are raiding Ozzie second teams.........but if we are doing that I'd like the kid at Melbourne Brodie Croft if he wants a first team game.
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| The temp Huddersfield coach in addition to moaning about Pauli Pauli and his players departure to the sin bin did say they had spotted a weakness on our right hand side. I regret that It is becoming obvious that the weakness is Finn who is not strong or quick enough to stop a playing running at or around him.
The other weakness is actually not MCB but the wing of BJB where even a team of 12 can produce an overlap.
I think Hampshire played well at full back but that is not a position we cannot cover, we need him to play scrum half.
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| Quote: Scarlet Pimpernell "The temp Huddersfield coach in addition to moaning about Pauli Pauli and his players departure to the sin bin did say they had spotted a weakness on our right hand side. I regret that It is becoming obvious that the weakness is Finn who is not strong or quick enough to stop a playing running at or around him.
The other weakness is actually not MCB but the wing of BJB where even a team of 12 can produce an overlap.
I think Hampshire played well at full back but that is not a position we cannot cover, we need him to play scrum half.'"
The right has been the weak side all season. Lynn I think is pretty solid but shouldn’t have to cover BJB wing when he shoots the line leaving an overlap. Yesterday wasn’t the first time either.
As for Hamoshire. He should be in at SH and given a run and be backed with some time. Finn is carrying an injury and we can’t afford to carry that.
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| BJB is a bit of an enigma. He's probably our best finisher and scores some cracking tries. On the negative side he shoots out for the interception or tackle and either leaves the winger a clear run in or pats down to give them a repeat set.
I would have him in the team every time though.
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| Quote: Trojan Horse "The right has been the weak side all season. Lynn I think is pretty solid but shouldn’t have to cover BJB wing when he shoots the line leaving an overlap. Yesterday wasn’t the first time either.
As for Hamoshire. He should be in at SH and given a run and be backed with some time. Finn is carrying an injury and we can’t afford to carry that.'"
I think Lyne has really improved his defence but the errors are coming further inside which means Lyne and BJB are having to deal with a lot of 3 on 2 situations.
We can comment all we want about defence but on the whole i think it has been ok, it is attack where we have struggled.
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| Quote: altofts wildcat "I think Lyne has really improved his defence but the errors are coming further inside which means Lyne and BJB are having to deal with a lot of 3 on 2 situations.
We can comment all we want about defence but on the whole i think it has been ok, it is attack where we have struggled.'"
It was okay, however in recent weeks our defence has looked as lacklustre as the attack.
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| This 'its the wingers fault' is something that frustrates me. Its difficult for a winger because they are reliant on everyone inside them to do their jobs correctly. As others have mentioned, there are a lot of overlaps produced on our right edge, which means something is going wrong. As a winger faced with a 2 on 1, youre damned if you do and damned if you dont.
He rushes up and knocks the ball down- repeat set,
he rushes up and misses the ball. tackle resulting in a try,
he doesnt rush up leaving a 2 on 1, try
its a difficult situation as a winger and you only get a split second to make that call. For me, its generally not the wingers fault, its everyone inside who is failing do do their job.
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| On Sunday BJB didn’t need to rush inwards and same with TJ on other occasions. I think it might be a case of none communication from centres. They should be telling their wingers to stay man for man.
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