I'd definitely give Moa a go improvement on Green and co for sure. Ben Flower glad we escaped that one injury prone thug.

Escaped what? There is no evidence we were even remotely interested in Flowers.

Anyway if Flowers is a thug, so go on then what does that make Moa? Moa is a serial killer by comparison, let’s be serious shall we.

Knocking him out was one thing but, belting him again, whilst unconscious, was pretty shocking, especially in such a high profile game.
As for taking Hohaia out of the game, it may well have been part of the game plan, even if the "execution" went a little OTT.

I don't see it like that.
I don't think Flower realised he was out when he started throwing the second punch.
And it was Hohaia who was the aggressor. He took Flower out when there was a potential try on.
It's clearly wrong to throw a punch but because it ended badly people forget it was started by him.
I always feel its unfair when some little guy squares up to a big guy and then cries foul when he gets one back. Either stay in your weight group or live with the results.

No one has mentioned Remy Casty. I probably rate him higher than the others being discussed.

Problem with Casty, Moa and Flower is that they’re old (well in terms of RL age anyway).

I don't know how you can possibly defend Flower in any way for the second punch.

never understand this he's too old comment

didn't Steve Menzies play competitively to 40 yr old
and Stanley Gene to 36 ish you play to how you feel

Agree with you to a point.....so why are we releasing Koppy then do you think? I don't mind Arona being prop, but he really isn't one is he, so just Fifita & Green as out and out props, we really need 2 to come in surely. One major criticism of Chester the last couple of seasons has been his squads, they just seem lopsided with 6 or 7 players basically vying for 2 spots, then not enough to barely cover other positions. At least with it not starting 'till March we have plenty of time to get a couple in.......hopefully

I do, in a Catalans shirt. He gives his all for that club. Just not sure he would give that level to a non-French team at his stage of his career, nor want to step out of the Catalans bubble, where he might have an off-field role lined up for when he finishes playing.

It's just how I see it.
If Hohaia hadn't been knocked out everyone would have been cheering. The media made a lot of it because they had good images.

Hohaia ran and elbowed Flower in the face, I'm not sure what he expected to happen to be honest.

Well I don't think Flower would have been criticised as he has been if he had left it at one punch, I think what most people found sickening was the second punch inflicted on an unconscious player. What's become apparent to me is the tolerance some people have towards this kind of violence.

Not sure that stacks up with Gene as even he didn't know how old he was. Menzies I agree and that's the nub.

Being over 32 which seems to be the approx OTT age is only a problem if either you're crocked as per Anthony Tupou or you were never any good to start with. The former is pretty obvious, the latter not so much.

If you're still fit and have played over 400 games in the NRL then that's a pretty safe signing. If you're fit and knocking on but have barely played 50 games you have to wonder.

People will argue that having only played 50 games means there is still a lot left in the tank. I'd argue that the tank was never full to start with.