But the problem wasn't in the forwards as you suggested as a platform was laid in that first 20/30 minutes. Yes there were a lot of penalties but that doesn't take away from the good work that Moore and Bibey got through.

I tell ya summat. Obst can shift a bit can't he. Nearly caught Hodgson from behind near the end. Unfortunately for you guys we played one of our worst games for years last week and yesterday you recieved the backlash.

The problem was the whole team. Initial post was forwards bullied and no spark in attack. Put them together you're on to a hiding.

In the second half the forwards were trampled over and the backs were weak.

But the forwards weren't bullied for a good portion of the game they were on top. Had we had any creativity we would have been well on the way to victory sadly we were clueless.

I'm not disputing the fact that all that possession only yielded six was a huge problem, also not disputing the that on the back of a favourable penalty count that they got through some decent work. I think the end of the first and the whole of the second was perhaps a more accurate reflection on the performance without the piggy backs.

Do you think had Trinity managed to score 12 points or so with that pressure the outcome of the match would've been different?

Without a doubt. Our self belief would have been in question and we'd have dropped more ball. Once we got a few scores in front, the confidence came back and our wingers saw some ball which is a rarity.

I certainly think we would have put them under more pressure and the confidence could well have shifted to us. No doubt we fell apart still think Moore and Bibey ran it in hard in their second spell but they were fighting a losing battle as the game had gone by then.

We were given a lesson by the Giants in how to play the game. Faster, fitter, and did the basics right.

Their forwards were coming onto the ball at full tilt, support players were on their shoulder and they actually drew a man before passing the ball. When in defence, they had one man around the legs and one up top and they actually moved up in defence instead of being stood still. Quick play the balls and scoots from dummy half exploiting the laziness of our marker defence.

It should not be too much to ask professional RL players to do (or at least try all of the above).

Even when the game was well and truly gone and we had nothing to lose by throwing the ball about, we still persisted in the main with the 5 drives and a very poor kick option. On the couple of occasions we did try to through the ball about, we actually made a couple of half breaks.

No I'm not missing the point about Sam Obst. We are forcing him to be a tackling machine and he is trying his best to do that. However he is a weak link in the middle and every team are going at him every week.

Latu should have spelled him this week, but I was amazed when he went to loose forward. Latu in my opinion is at his best at hooker and when he came on Sam was in need of a rest.

Could be worse you could have travelled up from London like I did We were bad but credit to Huddersfield they played like a team and worked well in defence. We on the other hand we don't have a clue same at London last week.

Eleven page thread just about summed up in one post.

i have never felt so bad watching my team in years as i did yesterday, there was just nothing there at all. what the hell is going on. were not going to win every match but weve got to compete. i said yesterday i wouldnt watch no more but ive said it a million times but im getting to breaking point with our club. where are we going as a team or club i just dont know, i am so upset its just doing my head in.

sounds like us against Salford last week !!

Not hiding behind anything. By god it’s like father like son with you 2.

End of day I don’t rate Scully. Overall I have been disappointed with him as he has never shown the form for us as he did for Cas consistently

But I agree about Moore and Bibey thought they went well yesterday and never gave up.