Quote: 18th Man "While I agree that we were terrible and big changes are required, I don't think anyone is being fair to Cas here. They (Chase especially) played very well, were clearly up for it and want that 8th spot. They passed it around and tried things while we just fell back to the old one pass and run it straight back into the last tackle rugby that is boring, clearly doesn't get points on the board and won't help sell season tickets for next year (anyone still think we are being undercharged for the quality of entertainment this season???)'" www.wakefieldwildcats.co.uk/news ... r/2013/05/ Not going to be a hot seller is it.

Quote: 18th Man "While I agree that we were terrible and big changes are required, I don't think anyone is being fair to Cas here. They (Chase especially) played very well, were clearly up for it and want that 8th spot. They passed it around and tried things while we just fell back to the old one pass and run it straight back into the last tackle rugby that is boring, clearly doesn't get points on the board and won't help sell season tickets for next year (anyone still think we are being undercharged for the quality of entertainment this season???)'" www.wakefieldwildcats.co.uk/news ... r/2013/05/ Not going to be a hot seller is it.

Totally disagree, I rate Cockayne he has that 'spark' and can find gaps, Morton was dire!

Mathers - alright, didn't do anything good but didn't do anything bad either

Fox - Jesus Christ can't tackle for crap and was scared at the sight of the fat plodder opposite him

Collis - motm contender

Lyne - clearly needs to go out on DR

Cockayne - to let An average winger in Dixon in 4 times is a disgrace

Lee Smith - clearly not a 6, either at fullback with Mathers at 6 or in the centres with Goulding at 6

Tim Smith - tbh saw him limping before the match but still a very dire performance

Justin Poore - a SOO player my ars3

Paul Aiton - another poor performance

Andy Raliegh - a shadow of the player last year

Ali Lauitiiti - ineffective today

Danny Kirmond - one of the only few who appeared to be bothered

Danny Washbrook - agree with NGB4C he needs to be dropped Cas played an extra prop at LF Washbrook does nothing in attack

taulima tautai - his debut one of the few positives - his brushing of Chase was a joy to see

Kyle trout - gave 100%

Chris Annakin - likewise

Kyle Amor - agar should've started him with Wilkes on the bench IMO

Reading through this threat, Im probably going to get pelters of some posters for saying this but I don't think Agar needs to go. Our coaching team has an attacking bias, which you can only get so much out of without a quality stand off! Im not sure Sykes is the answer but he's arguably the best we've got in that position and we've certainly not been able to cover his absence. I think Agar needs to go find a class stand off.

Secondly, I think Agar needs to go and sign a defensive coach. An expert, someone who can come in and tighten the defence up. If we can stop teams scoring we've half a chance of winning.

If those two areas are addressed, Im sure there would be a huge improvement across all areas of the team.

Never wanted Agar he was never and never will be a SL head coach he is a decent assistant or Championship coach
If your face does not fit you have no chance with him Ellis being an example frozen out all last season before the one trick pony (defence) Aiton got injured
We then go on a run of wins
The fact is we only have Tim Smith we have no attacking options at 6 9 and 13 and that is down to Agar
Sykes can fill a gap at 6 but hes a fullback for my money he should have released Mathers Wildie John and Aiton and kept Ellis and Wood 9 moved Sykes to FB and signed a decent stand off
For some reason supporters love Aiton he does nothing for me that a good hooker should and it is no shock he did not make the exiles squad

Agar has got to go but who replaces him for my money we missed the boat with Powell a good coach who was out of SL for far too long

That's a pretty good suggestion as I cant see that we are going to get rid of him, and if we don't improve our defence and motivation we may as well right the season off

Agars the coach and the attacking and defensive structures are his take on things and how the side should play.The poor defending and weakness in doing so was there for all to see last season and now the other coaches have twigged where we are seriously weak.When it showed you the changing room at half time Agar looked like he could not care less.We need a quality stand off thats for sure but that wont change the fact our defense is dire at times.I dont think he will bring a defensive coach in to be honest as if he could have seen the defensive weakness last season he would have one in already and if he could not see it last season then there is no hope.

Agree with all of this Kirmond, Collis and Tautai played well. Aiton looked exhausted. The rest were poor. Poore is not the player I thought he was.
quoteReading through this threat, Im probably going to get pelters of some posters for saying this but I don't think Agar needs to go. Our coaching team has an attacking bias, which you can only get so much out of without a quality stand off! Im not sure Sykes is the answer but he's arguably the best we've got in that position and we've certainly not been able to cover his absence. I think Agar needs to go find a class stand off.

Secondly, I think Agar needs to go and sign a defensive coach. An expert, someone who can come in and tighten the defence up. If we can stop teams scoring we've half a chance of winning.

If those two areas are addressed, Im sure there would be a huge improvement across all areas of the team.'"

Can't be bothered digging out any more comments like this, but "defensive structures" seem to be a bit of a buzzword at the moment. Seems to be fairly trendy to blame the coach and not the players. Agar has lots to be held accountable for, but I need one of the more knowledgeable posters to point out to me what "defensive structure" would have stopped 2 tries from acting half back, a couple of tries by players not even attempting tackles and the massive territory we lost through Carney stepping/swerving round Collis and Fox in the first half, not competing for the ball in the air, us having no go forward because of our softcock pack, poor distribution from Aiton and his insistance to basically stand and pass almost every PTB.

Agar should already have a defence coach, him or Webster? It was a shambles across the field with a complete lack of composure or structure that's down to Agar and Webster. Can't afford to keep spending on players/ coaches. Defence structure is a key area not a stand off one player doesn't make a team. Sykes is ok for us when fit but even if he was playing well yesterday we had that many holes we were like a cullinder!'"

The problem with our defensive structure (if you can call it structured) is that it does not move. The players are obviously being told to hold their line, but that line should be moving forwards as well! And pressure the kicker.

If the opposition has a good player in their ranks ie. Dobson/chase/ TOMKINS!!
they can take all the time they want to pick out exactly the pass or kick that they want to make, it becomes like a training session.
Did anyone actually tackle chase yesterday, if so I can't remember it.

The standing and waiting for the opposition to run at them annoys me. You have to get 'in their face' if you want to stifle opposition attacking play. Your quite right about the playmakers being given space, Tomkins will murder us next week unless that defence is sorted out. It's not SL standard. I don't know if they are playing to instructions or not but you don't see the likes of Wigan and Warrington standing waiting for the inevitable!

Are people seriously suggesting that a professional level 3 (International) Coach is coaching a full time pro side in the top level to "hold their line" and not move forward in defence? Under 8's and above are taught to move forwards to a greater or lesser degree in combination with other things in defence, do people think Agar is some sort of revolutionary and changing the way the modern game is played, or do you think that the players are simply failing to carry out the instructions of the coaching staff and through a combination of possibly bad attitude and laziness they are stationary in defence?

I agree that Chase didn't get touched and he could have played in a dinner suit, and also that Tomkins may well murder us again if offered the same luxury next week.

i have just twitted AG and told him we need a defence coach or result will not change, see if he gets back to me

Is the fact agar has the French gig affecting his ability to focus on wakefield? Must say I am not a fan of coaches having more than one role.

Especially when his club role needs all his attention right now