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| I just think we've got unlucky (again), but this time at the wrong time.
He can't spend money we don't have, and there is no sign that the club is sitting on unspent funds. We can't make players come to us, and we shouldn't spend more than we have. The only other option is that we gamble on pulling in the punters by spending cash we don't have, but the club is rightly cautious about doing that. It's the entertainment business, and we have to provide an entertaining product to attract the crowds, but that path has been trodden before, and it never ends well, if there's no one to fund the shortfall.
Personally, I don 't mind if he's a tough cookie in a business sense. I'd rather we paid what we think a player is worth, no more.
I've said it before, but we're three years too late with the ground. We could have maybe got away with it, but the promoted side has come up looking good, which is where our luck runs out. We've avoided the drop before because of the quirks of franchising, or because of the weakness of the promoted side, or because we only had to beat a championship side to stay up. This year, our luck has run out. Poorest side. Cas will get better. Leigh will get wins. We will go into the Championship.
If the ground had happened three years ago, we'd be spending the cap and picking up those IMG points, and maybe even a crowd to match.
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| Quote: Wollo-Wollo-Wollo-Wayoo "I don't think we've ever really recovered from the Richardson/Pearman fiasco.
Lost Andy Kelly, lost the ground. nearly lost Super League status (if not for Neil Fox singing John Kear's praises), nearly lost the club twice.
Happy Days.'"
Exactly yet people still having a personal pop at MC , boy they have short memories
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| Quote: The Avenger "Well you can only judge a man based on your own experience of him so I’ve no problem with your assessment based on what you know of him.
Suffice to say I wholeheartedly disagree with you based on my experiences of him and I’m not alone!
There is no record of him putting £2,000,000 into the club, I doubt he’s got the kind of wealth that would allow that sort of investment'"
I wouldn't question the fact that he's put £2m into the club. He was paying into the club 2 years before taking over from Glover. However, I would say a large chunk of this was at the start of taking over. It equates to about £14k per month. Say what you will about Glover, but during 2012 and the first half of 2013, he was putting over double that in.
He has said that there was about £2m of debt in the past, though the figures quoted over the years have changed. When he took over, we also applied to the RFL for a loan, and also used the transfer fee received for Tim Smith to clear some of the debt.
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| Quote: Eastern Wildcat "I wouldn't question the fact that he's put £2m into the club. He was paying into the club 2 years before taking over from Glover. However, I would say a large chunk of this was at the start of taking over. It equates to about £14k per month. Say what you will about Glover, but during 2012 and the first half of 2013, he was putting over double that in.
He has said that there was about £2m of debt in the past, though the figures quoted over the years have changed. When he took over, we also applied to the RFL for a loan, and also used the transfer fee received for Tim Smith to clear some of the debt.'"
That's quite funny to imply £14,000 a month is any less than an outstanding contribution.
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| Quote: Eastern Wildcat "I wouldn't question the fact that he's put £2m into the club. He was paying into the club 2 years before taking over from Glover. However, I would say a large chunk of this was at the start of taking over. It equates to about £14k per month. Say what you will about Glover, but during 2012 and the first half of 2013, he was putting over double that in.
He has said that there was about £2m of debt in the past, though the figures quoted over the years have changed. When he took over, we also applied to the RFL for a loan, and also used the transfer fee received for Tim Smith to clear some of the debt.'"
He had invested somewhere in the region of £260k in the club after Jimmy Elston talked him into getting involved.
His whole reason for taking over the club was to safeguard that money because it would have been forfeit, lost had the club gone into Administration post Glover/Elston. Chris Brereton was in it for the very same reason albeit a lesser amount of around £170k.
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| Quote: PopTart "That's quite funny to imply £14,000 a month is any less than an outstanding contribution.'"
I wasn't implying that it was poor, PT, just trying to put it into some context.
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| First off, without Carter, we would have gone and would, at best, be in The Championship.
You can't blame the gut for trying to protect his investment but, despite the profit posted in the most recent set of accounts, which are based on our trading position of almost 2 years ago, we look desperately, desperately short of cash and we have a squad that would need to be fully fit all season and then, hope that we manage 10th/11th spot..
The chickens are coming home to roost and we have multiple injuries and we look stuffed (sorry for the chicken pun).
Can we get out of this and if so, how ?
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| Quote: Khlav Kalash "Shuddersfield Trinity.'"
Our new feeder club...
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| I've listened to the interview, and whilst I'm still disappointed we've let Hall go, I get why we've done it. Not ideal, but I can see the logic.
Regarding Carter, I've spoken to him on a few occasions. I think he's a decent and honest bloke who has always done right by the club and people involved. Yes, we've got the recruitment and retention wrong over the last few yeas, but I don't think you can argue with what he's achieved off the field. The only thing I'd like to see going forward is someone to help look after the rugby side of things who will challenge the signings/recruitment to make sure we getting value for money. I think Kear's time has gone, but someone similar to do what he did with Chester.
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| Quote: asmadasa "Another potential loan deal for a middle?
Why? We've enough average props already, we don't need another. If we were short i'd get it but with Bowden due back and Butler crying out for more chances we have enough numbers. Anybody who comes in has to be better than what we already have and this lad is no better than those already here.
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| Mr Carter says he is looking to do another swop deal for a middle. It begs the question who would the potential swop club want from us?. Also what about a creative half back. Surely we need that more than a middle?
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| Well the swap dealing I am hearing sounds better than the last one in my opinion. So finally a bit of good news if true
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| Quote: Prince Buster "Well the swap dealing I am hearing sounds better than the last one in my opinion. So finally a bit of good news if true'"
Warrington on the hunt for a forward after Mikeale leaving imminently.
Tanginoa does hold good value if the deal is right for trinity. Certainly opens up room for talks.
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