I don't think we should get to carried away hating all things Yorkcourt. It's not that I don't think they are liars and crooks because they are.

However the only chance of a stadium now is if the development at NM as a whole becomes a success and the 70% occupancy (I believe) is hit and demand then exceeds it. If that were to take place then he Stadium would stand a good chance of happening. Not because Yorkcourt are a good company but because it will become advantageous to them.

Although you have to say it through gritted teeth you actually have to want this development to be a huge success which clearly it isn't at the moment.

I stand to be corrected but as far as I understand it the stadium at NM will happen should the development reach it's targets, nobody is suggesting otherwise?. The problem is and always has been that this might not happen for years maybe decades which is where the problem is for us and why we have been looking for alternatives recently.

Like to make one point and it's this. I have to ask why if the club had the ability did they actually take the alleged advice not to buy BV last year. I here conflicting stories but why would a man with the obvious nous of MC listen to what anybody else had to say especially Walker and Yorkcourt. Am I missing something here because I just don't get the logic in any sense. Buying BV was never even a risk at the very worse MC and the club would not lose money or very little on it no matter what and we'd always have the option to use it or sell it.

Now as far as I can tell NM is the only option as BV lost as far as I can tell and I just don't get why as I wouldn't even have taken the word of the Pope on this one let alone RW, WMDC and Yorkcourt. I'd have snapped it up and even paid over the odds - very strange.

It wouldn't make sense for Wakefield Trinity to get into a Dutch auction with York Court over the purchase of Belle Vue. The only winner there is BoI who benefit from two parties who are supposedly on the same side bidding the price up between them.

From what I can tell, YCP and WMDC took the lead on bidding for the stadium and, as this represented the best way out of the stadium mess for all parties involved, MC took both their word and the back seat.

Judging from the little titbits that MC has revealed since it seems they out and out bare faced lied about seriously bidding and in the end just stepped aside allowing 88M to buy it.

More underhand, scheming and caniving from Mackie and Box.

I hope the stadium trust/ club are looking for alternative sites/partners in the City.

To me the question I would like an answer to is the point covered in the letter of Joanne Roaney where she states it was decided between her, Andy Wallhead (the deputy CEO) and the chariman of the trust that the whole newcold development should not form part of the 60000 trigger.

Why on erath would they take such a decision, and what did they hope to gain ?

I understand that in negotiations you concede matters but do so in order to gain something in return. This action by those three gained nothing, put the stadium back and handed the developer a massive benefit, WHY DID THEY DO THIS?????

Only chance I can see anything happening at NM is if York Court or whatever they are called now sell the site to a bigger developer who has the nous and client contacts to realise the sites potential.

Same planning authority that passed the Hepworth Gallery and the histororical archive building on Kirkgate,
davetrin. Doesn't that tell you everything?

Yes, that they actually have a bit of a track record of pushing through some decent things for the city. Which makes it all the more frustrating that they won't give us any assistance.

We went to Warrington yesterday and played at an absolutely superb facility that had everything for just about every sport you could imagine. About 3 miles from The Halliwell Jones stadium and virtually brand new it had around 6 quality Rugby League pitches with one of them being flanked by stands.

Speaking to the Warrington Head of Youth I remarked on their facilities and he said much of it was down to Warrington Council who had invested £3.5 Million pounds into the facility.

So apart from being very compliant and helpful over the sale and upkeep of Wilderspool and the building of the Warrington Stadium the Warrington Borough Council have invested heavily in Community Sports facilities that the Pro Rugby Club have first use of. They've managed to do this during the same period of austerity that Wakefield Council use as an excuse over everything especially sports facilities.

I have to wonder if there's such a thing as being criminally incompetent or negligent in terms of running a Council.

Did anyone answer on the other thread the question I asked about why the Trust didn't object when the proposal to allow Newcold to be built outside the S106 was put forward? That seems to have been the key moment when the entire scam was enabled.

As WMDC spending goes down, Peter Box's salary goes up and up. Can anybody truly think of a local authority in this country that gives their council tax payers so little in return, and is so uncaring about the people that pay their wages? They seem to spend everything on council vehicles. I've never seen as many vans and wagons in others areas as I do here in Wakefield. I certainly envy the citizens of Warrington.

If I remember correctly from that information evening they did a couple of years ago, weren't they led to believe that it would count and hence supported it, only for the planning application to be changed at the last minute to include that it didn't contribute?

That was the logic but clearlyo know that Yorkcourt renaged and never put in a serious bid.

My point is ans remaons why would anyone ever believe they would after whats happened. Whether it be the Trust, the club or even SWAG who decided to take that advise i don't know but to me it was as serious lack of judgement.

I'm not after blood it's done now and also I wasn't there and I know how convincing these people can be but me personally I wouldn't their word for it if they were just telling me the time. All very sad and so predictably Trinity, for thirty years now I've seen the club suckered time after time and nobody seems capable of breaking that cycle

I'd hazard a guess you can see it from space!

It needs some dazzle pattern applying to it to at least make an effort to disguise it's monstrous appearance.

Exactly !!! and the chairman of the Trust agreed this..

We need to know the reason this was done and what was gained from doing it

Could someone please answer .