Yep I know what you mean.

However if we made a derisory offer I honestly think that would be more down to MC than JK at a guess. Not knowing the full extent of Kears roll it’s hard to say just how much input he has. Either way Kear has his faults but I find it hard to believe he’d cut off his nose to spite his face that much - truth is I just think we are as skint as ever.

Ditto the big “M” who I've met a few times though I’m yet to meet him sober! He’s strident in his opinions and holds nothing back yet he doesn’t strike me as so belligerent that he would put a grudge ahead of his sons development.

I’ll say it again I think we are as skint as we have ever been. Ours crowds, sponsorship and corporate though improved are still way off that of others and we certainly have no wiggle room.
At the moment BV looks like a war zone and it was none to pretty before that.

It’s a crying shame when you have a club crying out for a player who wants to play for them but the stars just won’t align - unless we get a real sugar daddy he’ll never fulfil his wish to wear the shirt or not until he’s well past his best.

Even worse is that his place is being taken up by Miller who though a decent player in his own way is nowhere near the long term project Hampshire is a player you could build a winning team around.

Him being at Cas has nothing to do with it - how many times have you watched him play this year at half back? Or are you basing this on his academy days? I know you'd love for the prodigal Wakefield son to return and slot in your squad, but burying your head in the sand isn't the answer. Ask anyone who saw him play this year - the moment we put him at centre/wing he was a completely different player. If he stuck that out as his position, he could go very far. As a half back? Not so much. I'd sign him on that basis.

It would probably more effective for the club to have the players spend the first two weeks of pre season on a building site doing some proper graft as if to say "knuckle down, work hard in your RL as you'll end up doing this full time unless you all buck your ideas up", the way some of our lot have been carrying on over the last two years.

It's not just us though. Moore went AWOL at Huddersfield. Leeds players went to prison for fighting. Leon Pryce got in bother. Wigan players this year fell out with each other. Rugby players are working class lads who will do daft stuff, because that is what they do, and every blue-collar large workplace has enough lads like that.

I did say "some players", and it isn't every one. What makes them good players is that bit of pitbull in them, and occasionally it will be let loose in an unproductive way.

I'm not talking about half-wits like Locke and Tim Smith, who had very little pitbull in them, but those certain sort of players who's personality traits make them the players they are. Scott Moore. Gareth Hock. Players of that ilk. There are many others who don't transgress who possess similar characteristics, but you will always get some who just step over that line, because they've always been very close to it.

Personally, I don't judge them as human beings and accept some will be flawed. That is why they get kicks out of bashing the hell out of each other on a rugby pitch. To expect perfect role models out of young working class men who play a brutal sport is expecting too much.

It's unreasonable to expect them to be perfect role models, it's reasonable to expect them to have enough professional pride that they won't get drunk and crash cars or assault police officers, which brings the whole game into disrepute

scott moore upto no good again! some never learn

Whatever he's done brings Scott Moore into disrepute, not the game. I'm not saying whatever he's done, if anything, is okay, and it's a shame that he's potentially let himself down, but I accept people like him will do daft stuff. If he didn't, he wouldn't be the player he was/is. It's the ying and yang of aggressive hookers and prop forwards. Ryan Bailey seems to be a nasty piece of work, but if he wasn't, he'd have never donned a Super League jersey.

I'm happy to accept that some people have flaws, we all do, in some way, and an aggressive rugby player, whose aggression makes him a successful rugby player, may well have more flaws than most.

Of course it brings the game into disrepute, anything which gives the Union and Footy fans ammunition to say; "oh look, league players are up to their usual tricks..." is bringing the game into disrepute, especially as it's been widely reported in non-RL media.

I'm happy to accept players are flawed, I'm not happy to accept that as an excuse for illegal behaviour

Not prejudging re Scott Moore, but it really is hard to understand how/why players playing the game and being well paid for it , manage to self destruct and waste the talent they have been gifted. It happens in other sports, yes, even in RU , but the media usually seem less interested in their 'bad lads'.

On the basis that people could easily forget that rugby league exists if they follow only mainstream media, I'm not sure any publicity is particularly bad. I'm more bothered about the fact that a talented player is messing up his career.

I'm not quite sure when this desire started that the brutish, aggressive players who populate our forward packs behave like angels. Is it when the crowd roars when a punch up starts, or a hard hit renders someone semi-conscious? Then? No, didn't think so.

Stay fit, stay healthy, look after your careers, but don't lose that aggression, that slight bit of madness that makes you the player that you are.

Nobody is saying that players need to lose their agression but there's a difference between controlled aggression on the pitch, and uncontrolled agression off the pitch

I know, I get that, but my general point is that some players tread a very fine line, and it's only some, but that it's the fine line that they tread that makes them so good, so it has to be accepted that the flip side is that those who tread closest to it will sometimes cross it.

I'm not saying it's okay, but it's the nature of the beast.

Should stay out of cars, he obviously has problems staying in one

Agree. the late John Burke a perfect example of this. John was as hard and aggressive on the pitch as any of them but that's where it stayed.
RL players have tended to shoot themselves (and their clubs) in the foot in recent years but before the RU brigade start to gloat they need to sort out their eye gougers and biters!