And at the same time got himself shipped off to Fev. Another move I still don't fully understand.

I think the upset over Bradford has passed now, and to be fair Vasty made it very clear he was basing his point over 2 seasons not 2 games.

But on that note, in terms of what people think Agar's team should and shouldn't do, it's as much a question of our possibly unrealistic expectations as much as what he achieves. Of course that is subjective.

Some expected a win against Bradford but we've lost the last 4 against them, home and away. They've had some off field issues, but less on field than us. Losing Sammut possible disrupted us more than them as he wasn't in their team the week before anyway.

Cas people are saying will be hard but we have won 4 out of 6
Catalan we've beaten twice (of course at home)
Hull KR we have a 50% win rate
Widnes we've beaten 4 times home and away

Based on all the stats, and ignoring Salford having a new team we should get 2 points at Salford, Catalan, London and Cas. Some of the others are 50-50 some are nailed on loss (in betting terms rather than actual game as of course there is a chance)
So we lost to Salford but as said they have a new team so there is a reason behind that and we still have the others to go.
The alternative being that on form, we would have Salford at home, Widnes home and away, Cas away and Millennium, London home, which is 12 points right there. Knock Salford back so 10 points.
Given we have 50% records with Hull and Hull KR home and away, we have possible points there.

If the new team clicks it will click on hard grounds after a number of games, getting progressively better
So lets not write off our season yet.

I am actually still quite positive about what lies ahead. We have missed an opportunity to get 2 points, from a team that we are competing for position with. But if we really see ourselves as better than them, as we clearly do if we were so adamant that we should have won, then they won't win more than us and they are due some docked points.
If the alternative is the case and they are in fact better than us, coach or not, then they'll be above us anyway.

I think there is a lot of race to run yet and I think we will take some unexpected scalps this year. It'll just take time. Hold tight.

I would also say the judgement on Agar is based on a "business case" comparing apples and ranges to get your answer

If it is all on him, and not on the players, then he should be judged on results.
People are saying we have not won as many as we should have, even though we were in 8th place (or 9th in terms of wins) and 11th, 1 point of the same finish.

Whether you think he should have done better, he has not been near the relegation zone in either year.
So why do we suddenly think this year is going to be different?

I've said many times that this year is about one thing and one thing only; survival. If RA achieves that, it's mission accomplished. I said it before the Salford game and was told (by Vasty) that I was probably aiming a little too low!

you must be off your rocker
you are in a lot worse position than you were last year
you had a close game against Salford which is also a team made up in the off season so they are still not the finished article and they beat you so when you play them again they will be better that they were 2 weeks ago it was there first league game also don't forget.
only team you will have a chance against this year is London and they will probley beat you
we on the other hand are 4 points up on you and London already Bradford will be getting a points deduction aswell so that should put us 4 up on them.
also if you weren't aware WE ARE TOP OF THE LEAGUE
happy relegation

Cas have a history of starting well and then finishing badly. We have a history of doing the opposite. Let's see what September brings.

Think we have found the clown who hired the no fear plane.

No Kinley it's not nonsense it's an opinion - not one of your majestic efforts but hey - what it is is the choice I'd make if it were down to me - unlike most on here I only feel I can talk for myself.

You'll get used to it, his arrogance has few bounds at time - sometimes he can be ok, so take the rough with the smoot, bit like you Mops

You really must have a chip on your shoulder to need to go to such length when you could just have said you don't agree - how sad that every point made on these forums becomes a them and us rather than just a debating point.

As for my quote, what is the point you are making exactly?

As far as I can tell I'm within my rights - this IS a P&R season and this is his BIGGEST TEST and he failed in spectacular style. Agar wasn't unlucky on Thursday he simply got it all wrong and in a P&R campaign there simply isn't room for that - Cummins managed to work it out with his (are you listening Bren) limited experience.

As for falling out with the game - I have. I don't travel away, support Internationals and will probably attend no more than 4 or 5 games this season. Does that exclude me having a well reasoned opinion? Sorry if it offends the rose tinted brigade but I've been here with this club before and it's never to early to worry.

So glad you find this thread a joke, let's see if you're still laughing in a couple of month time.

But an opinion based on no fact to back it up as a realistic alternative at this moment in time.
Get off your high horse it wasnt meant as in anyway knocking your point - just who you named.

It's based on a gut feeling - which I clearly state in my OP, not a mention of facts anywhere regarding Morrison - I won't hold my breath for an apology as I don't reckon you do them, as for the high horse…jeez the irony.