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| Quote: Luppylad "I hate to see people on here saying well dont go your not needed...your wrong we need every fan possible to go we need as many supporters as possible.if some fans are unhappy and lets be honedt have every right to be so be it but there still there bringing revenue to the club..ill be there on sunday i wint boo or give any abuse to anyone involved with the club..but should we lose iwont be clapping the team off either.
So just to say ya not needed dont come cos you dont have same opinion is not right.'"
I didn't say that.
Don't just make quotes up to make a point.
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| Quote: trin77 "PopTart you are a disgrace on this forum. All you do is attempt to shut down any opinion that doesn't fit your own. End of the day nobody turns up to boo the team but if they aren't happy with what they see on the pitch then they'll vent on any outlet available. You act like Wakefield Trinity is your wife or girlfriend and nobody is allowed to have a go or you'll take it personal, well that's tough when there are so many platforms to opine on. I am of the opinion that the coach needs to go in my view he should have gone at the end of 2019 a view shared by many others. End of the day time is running out we've just lost to a mediocre at best Leeds team after once again failing to score a second half try, alarm bells are ringing, how many more games do we give your darling Chester before enough is enough? The team should be performing far better than it is ask yourself this would Duffy at Leigh rather have our squad than his? I believe so. I'll be down there on Sunday cheering the team on hopefully to a much needed victory but if its the same old story then no I won't be just blindly hoping for the next game like you. We are sleepwalking into oblivion and blind optimism won't change that.'"
I think you need to consider decaf.
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You forgot to switch user account there Scarlet. Just interested. So are you going?
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| I saw the interview and he does look dejected but he's a Wakefield lad and he loves the club and probably doesn't want to leave while we are in a dodgy position. I think if we could put a couple of wins together which we are capable of doing we would see different body language from Chester and maybe a smile on his face. I think we should all get behind him and the team and give them that much needed support. I was talking to our captain and he said none of the players want Chester to go. He also said one of the problems is we have got used to losing but all the players are confident they can turn it round. I hope he's right starting this weekend.
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| Quote: Wollo-Wollo-Wollo-Wayoo "You forgot to switch user account there Scarlet. Just interested. So are you going?'"
Not me I guess they are expressing their view on your question in general but in answer to your question if I go or not will not impact the club’s finances. I will let you use your questionable detective abilities to work that out.
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| Quote: Mary Millington "You can't fault the effort of Friday night.
You can't say the lads and coaching staff are not hurting.
The simple fact of the matter is we don't have enough quality to win close games - I'm pretty sure if we had, then the two games against Leeds could quite possibly have been ours.
I personally think CC's time is up but I take no joy in watching that interview after the game - the man looked tortured.'"
Disagree, I think we do have the quality to win at least some of these close games but a combination of low confidence and coaching that (for whatever reason) isn’t giving the team enough structure or direction, means we aren’t getting over the line
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| Quote: PopTart "That's fair. I'll explain what I mean.
The tactics on the whole worked.
We played platers who could go the distance as our bigger players were dominated last year.
We took the option for two when we had opportunities
Our defense has improved tremendously, especially on the line.
Two players signed to plug gaps played well.
Playing Max at 6 worked as best it could but was clearly the best option.
The players played in a positive way and Westerman said great things about the coaching team.
The things that went wrong was 2 missed kicks, a wild pass under the posts and decision out of our control.
So I think it showed lots of things the coaching team got right but unfortunately it still didn't quite go our way.
The people still moaning about Chester are not necessarily wrong, but are so negative, they just repeat the same line no matter what happens.
I personally watched that game and came away disappointed but more positive than I was before.'"
It`s strange PT, because when I gave a detailed response to your previous post on this with lots of specifics on just how this loss was down to coaching (See page 5 of this thread) you didn`t want to know, you went into hiding hoping that if you close your eyes the actual facts might go away during the week and yet you come back with lists of generic points that seem to back your point up but really mean nothing what so ever.
To save you going back and looking, here’s the contents of the post, should you want to address any of the actual issues?
I just can`t get my head around this comment what so ever PT, you are either completely deluded or have zero clue on this what so ever, or maybe didn`t watch the game?
Whilst there were a couple of bad referee calls granted, The game last night for me was a classic chess match of coaching... There was a clear game plan from Leeds to play the basics, every man and his dog could see that. We started playing one man up into to the back of the ruck and they had a man pressing up every time with a man on the inside after the first set, we failed to change that tactic other than a couple runs from Westerman and Tanginoa then went straight back to it, it didn`t work, we got dominated every tackle, they won the ruck and won the field position, switching up every other play and running a couple of different lines may have helped us out a bit, hell maybe even throw some basic shift plays on.
When things got tough, the pressure ramped up and errors started creeping in for both sides, you could see the call sent down from Agar because they went back to basics once again, stopped forcing silly passes, put some depth in there line which they had lacked over the game, played with the first man and sometimes second man off as dummy runner and that`s all they needed to do to gain that advantage back again, other coaches will pick up a couple of swings in that game on the video tape and do exactly the same. Our answer to that should of been talked about all week, how we are resilient, how we adapt during a game, which set plays we go to, which structure we go to well it turns out PT we seemed to have nothing? Our answer was to throw some very silly wild passes, to pass the ball to Lyne to run around like a headless chicken hoping we could find some space - As much as that is players making some silly decisions, were is the structure? Where are the ideas? Where is the resilience? Where is the game plan?
I will give us some credit, I thought our scramble defence was good, but I thought Leeds chose the wrong option time after time on our line throughout.
People can talk about the last call, but we should not have been in that position to let 1 ref call influence the result.
On top of everything this morning I was told Jowitt was not to be offered a new deal for next year which I really hope isn`t true, he does a job wherever he is asked to play, not too sure what the lad does wrong but we would rather persist with picking the wrong option time after time.
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| And on the back of that post, we need a complete switch up for this week or KR will beat us by 30 points, Tony Smith will be rubbing his hands looking at the tapes.
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| Quote: homme vaste "It`s strange PT, because when I gave a detailed response to your previous post on this with lots of specifics on just how this loss was down to coaching (See page 5 of this thread) you didn`t want to know, you went into hiding hoping that if you close your eyes the actual facts might go away during the week and yet you come back with lists of generic points that seem to back your point up but really mean nothing what so ever.
To save you going back and looking, here’s the contents of the post, should you want to address any of the actual issues?
I just can`t get my head around this comment what so ever PT, you are either completely deluded or have zero clue on this what so ever, or maybe didn`t watch the game?
Whilst there were a couple of bad referee calls granted, The game last night for me was a classic chess match of coaching... There was a clear game plan from Leeds to play the basics, every man and his dog could see that. We started playing one man up into to the back of the ruck and they had a man pressing up every time with a man on the inside after the first set, we failed to change that tactic other than a couple runs from Westerman and Tanginoa then went straight back to it, it didn`t work, we got dominated every tackle, they won the ruck and won the field position, switching up every other play and running a couple of different lines may have helped us out a bit, hell maybe even throw some basic shift plays on.
When things got tough, the pressure ramped up and errors started creeping in for both sides, you could see the call sent down from Agar because they went back to basics once again, stopped forcing silly passes, put some depth in there line which they had lacked over the game, played with the first man and sometimes second man off as dummy runner and that`s all they needed to do to gain that advantage back again, other coaches will pick up a couple of swings in that game on the video tape and do exactly the same. Our answer to that should of been talked about all week, how we are resilient, how we adapt during a game, which set plays we go to, which structure we go to well it turns out PT we seemed to have nothing? Our answer was to throw some very silly wild passes, to pass the ball to Lyne to run around like a headless chicken hoping we could find some space - As much as that is players making some silly decisions, were is the structure? Where are the ideas? Where is the resilience? Where is the game plan?
I will give us some credit, I thought our scramble defence was good, but I thought Leeds chose the wrong option time after time on our line throughout.
People can talk about the last call, but we should not have been in that position to let 1 ref call influence the result.
On top of everything this morning I was told Jowitt was not to be offered a new deal for next year which I really hope isn`t true, he does a job wherever he is asked to play, not too sure what the lad does wrong but we would rather persist with picking the wrong option time after time.'"
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| I don’t buy the theory that the team needs fans to win games - they managed to do so last year albeit it took a while. Like how we need to play at Belle Vue to would be a big help - won more games away than at home last year.
And now apparently we are struggling to sell tickets for Sunday. Oh gee, I wonder why that is.
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| Quote: homme vaste "It`s strange PT, because when I gave a detailed response to your previous post on this with lots of specifics on just how this loss was down to coaching (See page 5 of this thread) you didn`t want to know, you went into hiding hoping that if you close your eyes the actual facts might go away during the week and yet you come back with lists of generic points that seem to back your point up but really mean nothing what so ever.
To save you going back and looking, here’s the contents of the post, should you want to address any of the actual issues?
I just can`t get my head around this comment what so ever PT, you are either completely deluded or have zero clue on this what so ever, or maybe didn`t watch the game?
Whilst there were a couple of bad referee calls granted, The game last night for me was a classic chess match of coaching... There was a clear game plan from Leeds to play the basics, every man and his dog could see that. We started playing one man up into to the back of the ruck and they had a man pressing up every time with a man on the inside after the first set, we failed to change that tactic other than a couple runs from Westerman and Tanginoa then went straight back to it, it didn`t work, we got dominated every tackle, they won the ruck and won the field position, switching up every other play and running a couple of different lines may have helped us out a bit, hell maybe even throw some basic shift plays on.
When things got tough, the pressure ramped up and errors started creeping in for both sides, you could see the call sent down from Agar because they went back to basics once again, stopped forcing silly passes, put some depth in there line which they had lacked over the game, played with the first man and sometimes second man off as dummy runner and that`s all they needed to do to gain that advantage back again, other coaches will pick up a couple of swings in that game on the video tape and do exactly the same. Our answer to that should of been talked about all week, how we are resilient, how we adapt during a game, which set plays we go to, which structure we go to well it turns out PT we seemed to have nothing? Our answer was to throw some very silly wild passes, to pass the ball to Lyne to run around like a headless chicken hoping we could find some space - As much as that is players making some silly decisions, were is the structure? Where are the ideas? Where is the resilience? Where is the game plan?
I will give us some credit, I thought our scramble defence was good, but I thought Leeds chose the wrong option time after time on our line throughout.
People can talk about the last call, but we should not have been in that position to let 1 ref call influence the result.
On top of everything this morning I was told Jowitt was not to be offered a new deal for next year which I really hope isn`t true, he does a job wherever he is asked to play, not too sure what the lad does wrong but we would rather persist with picking the wrong option time after time.'"
So firstly, it may come as a surprise but I don't trawl your posts to see if there is anything relevant to me and I also have a life outside RLFans so forgive me for missing your comment on page 5.
Wow there are some needy people on here at the moment.
I think plenty of others are saying confidence is low, so sometimes we try to chase things and make mistakes.
You don't know what Chester's plan was nor whether he tried to change it. You think you know what his and Agar's plan was and ultimately we managed their pack better than we did last time.
The wild passes etc can't be put down to Chester.
For me Chester isn't the issue. He has issues to resolve clearly. But if you replace him, the same issues will be there.
People are judging him on the team you want to play, rather than the team that plays.
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| No people are judging him on the 0/6 (0/7 with the cup game) win/loss ratio this year. And the the fact we only won 5 games in the league last year.
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| Quote: PopTart "So firstly, it may come as a surprise but I don't trawl your posts to see if there is anything relevant to me and I also have a life outside RLFans so forgive me for missing your comment on page 5.
Wow there are some needy people on here at the moment.
I think plenty of others are saying confidence is low, so sometimes we try to chase things and make mistakes.
You don't know what Chester's plan was nor whether he tried to change it. You think you know what his and Agar's plan was and ultimately we managed their pack better than we did last time.
The wild passes etc can't be put down to Chester.
For me Chester isn't the issue. He has issues to resolve clearly. But if you replace him, the same issues will be there.
People are judging him on the team you want to play, rather than the team that plays.'"
But that's the issue? We have nothing to go to so we have to throw those wild passes and try off the cuff play, do you not see that? It`s strange how every week it`s a different player that we are questioning why they would throw a pass like that or try something outrageous? They are trying to force something because as a collective we have nothing to go to.
I would hope a new coach might implement some decent structure into our attack and build some resilience into the team to be able to adapt during a game and not just stick with the same old regardless of it works or not.
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| Quote: PopTart "So firstly, it may come as a surprise but I don't trawl your posts to see if there is anything relevant to me and I also have a life outside RLFans so forgive me for missing your comment on page 5.
Wow there are some needy people on here at the moment.
I think plenty of others are saying confidence is low, so sometimes we try to chase things and make mistakes.
You don't know what Chester's plan was nor whether he tried to change it. You think you know what his and Agar's plan was and ultimately we managed their pack better than we did last time.
The wild passes etc can't be put down to Chester.
For me Chester isn't the issue. He has issues to resolve clearly. But if you replace him, the same issues will be there.
People are judging him on the team you want to play, rather than the team that plays.'"
Is that their pack that contained a 17, 18 & 21 year old in it?! Gannon made more metres in that game than Chris Green probably has all season, a 17 year old, how embarrassing
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| Quote: PopTart "Don't abuse the players or staff at the game.'"
I am assuming that you mean in terms of a personal abuse of a player? If not what is your definition of abuse?
Most of us go to BV and from time to time raise our voices and shout something like "that's bloody rubbish [insert players name]" or words to that effect. Is this abuse?
Yes, the personal and nasty stuff is non negotiable, and absolutely is not acceptable, but shouting disapproval in a firm manner is always going to happen.
It seems that some people in the modern era see this as abuse.
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