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| If we're going to fourteen teams surely it has to be the first fourteen in the gradings list. Selecting the addition two by any other means makes the whole IMG process a mockery and redundant.
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| The only reason I would accept a 14 team league not made up of the top 14 teams on IMG table is if one of the new teams said they weren't ready and wanted to stay back.
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| Hetherington isn't in London for the sightseeing.
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| Agree with all three of the above posts! You're absolutely right Bullseye, but London being ready for SL in 6 months just seems madness to me, unless he's already got a massive financial backer lined up.
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| Who knows eh? All this "behind closed doors" stuff is a real turn off and just encourages RL supporters to distrust the game's custodians even more. At least Wakefield made it up in a fair and square way. The two or three clubs that come up this time will be forever accused of being "RFL pets".
In many ways it's fairly typical of how the game has been run since 1995. Plenty of clubs have been promoted or avoided relegation or been denied promotion due to opaque arrangements off the field. Fans of London, Huddersfield, Widnes, Keighley and Hunslet spring to mind.
The IMG arrangements were meant to bring things out into the open. I happen to believe they're flawed but the way of thinking was broadly correct. Now we're back to the smoke filled rooms and shady deals by the looks of it.
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| Butcher:Toulouse are almost definitely coming up as part of the top 12 graded by IMG. Their finances have improved, crowds are up (they averaged 2,700 in 2024 and they've already had a couple of 5,000+ crowds this season), and they're probably going to make the final again.
That's precisely why most of the clubs have voted to expand - to make up the perceived financial shortfall because of Toulouse. I can see the logic in that, not just on gameday, but also because French supporters can't subscribe to Sky (though they could subscribe to Amazon/Dazn et al). I imagine that's why Ellis voted for it, advised by other leaders at the club.
Salford won't make the 12, and the independent panel will deny their application. York, Bradford, Oldham, London and potentially some no-hopers will apply, potentially on the proviso they'll fund themselves for 2026 and not take any of the TV money. Then as of 2027, when a new deal's in place, they'll take their share of the pot.
I've been following everything coming out of London, and I can't see them being ready for 2026. But they're seen as a big draw for broadcasters because of their potential subscription market. RL fans know that's a bit of a fantasy, but I suppose it doesn't matter to the negotiators.
On a personal note, I'm not fussed about Oldham. Boring brand, limited scope for growth, tiny crowds, big stadium, built on sand. I'd be happy with York for a number of reasons - great stadium, good brand, interesting team, financially sound. Bradford I don't want up purely on principle now, but it's playing out in slow motion.
It’s worth noting that Toulouse were at serious risk of falling below the 3000 average attendance this season. Their average as you say is below 3000 last season. In fact it looked to me that there weren’t as many as the figures given even last year. The attendances are only higher due to doubleheader events that they are piggybacking onto the game. These are fans of other teams not Toulouse and Toulouse I’d imagine won’t get a lot of the income from this. Great for the short term (assuming they are staying and not leaving before the Toulouse game but still being counted). Not so good for the long term. In a way it give a bit of a false look to keep their attendances above 3000. Something I think they said was the reason for the link ups to retain and increase fandom. It is worth noting though that the last SL year has dropped off and they may not finish top or win this season so that could see a considerable drop in points. I don’t think they’re certs at all. I think York could rise above them in the IMG rankings even as they have been progressively improving on all fronts last few years. |
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| This site is poor. No idea why it’s posted inside a quote when I typed after the closed quote text…
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| Other than Odsal I don't have a problem with Bradford being brought in as I expect them to be in the top 14 IMGs anyway. Was thinking the other night how frustrating it must be for Bradford fans to watch the likes of Trueman and Myers not being in Bradfords colours as they helped us beat Leeds.
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| According to form, both Hull clubs and an abstention from Wigan.
In principal, moving to a 14 club SL, with a balanced fixture program is absolutely the right way forward. However, there are two huge issues here. Primarily, using IMG gradings for 12 clubs plus 2 clubs chosen by an "independent" panel is just wrong. Either go "all in" with IMG or, use a different model completely. More importantly, given the "quality of the bottom 3 clubs in SL, there is an argument that we should be cutting SL numbers and not increasing them. Finally, with Nigel Wood now seemingly running the show, does anyone have faith in the "independent" panel.
Call me a cynic but, assuming they dont have the required number of IMG points, the 2 "wildcard" clubs will most likely be, Bradford and London.
Also, what happens in the following season, is the drawbridge being pulled up or, are we to have promotion and relegation and would the "wildcard" clubs be exempt.
The organisation at the top of our sport is an absolute shambles. We are in the first full year of IMG and already, we are giving up[ on the process and this is whilst shelling out heaps of cash for their services.
The only positive here is a "balanced" fixture schedule but, the planning and methodology are utterly flawed and the inability of the sport at being able to make a coherent plan and stick to it is shameful.
Rant over,
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| Wollo-Wollo-Wollo-Wayoo:
Other than Odsal I don't have a problem with Bradford being brought in as I expect them to be in the top 14 IMGs anyway. Was thinking the other night how frustrating it must be for Bradford fans to watch the likes of Trueman and Myers not being in Bradfords colours as they helped us beat Leeds.
I'm not counting any chickens here. York have a great chance, they're the best team we've played this season. They have a tidy stadium and seem well run. As said above I reckon London will be in with shout due to Hetherington getting on board. Despite Toulouse being top I'm not sure there's a big appetite for a second French club in SL - could they afford to pay the travel expenses of 13 other clubs like Catalans would? A lot depends on if Salford get relegated. A lot of people are making assumptions. On the Bradford juniors in SL there's a decent starting 13 spread across the SL clubs now. I just wish them well, it helps if they're in a side that beats Leeds too!
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| Bullseye:
Hetherington isn't in London for the sightseeing.
And Wood isnt in post to allow Bradford to be "overlooked" Hetherington will get London up to speed but, they shouldn't be gifted a SL spot when they are performing so badly on the field of play
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| One or two journo's have been saying for a few weeks that its Salford out, Bradford, York and London in.
Getting rid of the loop fixtures is a positive, but there isn't enough quality players IMO to sustain 14 clubs - which is one of the reasons we cut back to 12 teams I think?
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