Actual success, I think, is measured in trophies.
However, on a shorter timescale, any progress towards that goal can be seen as success.
For this season, I would say 8th or above in the league and a challenge cup semi would be regarded as relative success.
The reality is we've been held back for 40 years by lack of finance and so developments off the field this year are possibly more important than on-field achievements.
Saying that, when the team play well, we see an attractive and entertaining style of rugby with no little skill.
Expect 8th and quarter final but would be ecstatic with a cup final appearance or a play-off place.

Success is winning trophies for me. I don't expect or demand that, just dream.

One day ...

I tend to look at success on a season by season basis.

For me a good/successful season in ‘21 would be finishing 9th or higher, a decent cup run to get the floating fans excited and to see a spade hit the ground in September for the stadium.

Success is relative.
Absolute success would be the "business" growing and profitable and Trophies in the cabinet.
However, any improvement in last year (on and off the field) would also be success.

Right now, seeing the ground improvements begin and a solid season on the pitch would be a great season.
This would show that the club are indeed making progress both on and off the field.

Still dreaming of Wembley though

Imagine getting to Wembley and not being able to attend, would be just our luck....

I agree, success is relative, it`s also personal based on expectations of outcomes so not only is there a massive difference in opinion on what a successful campaign or a failure is club by club but it will also vary massively in a clubs fanbase.

In my own head, I try to find a better word for "success" in what I refer to above as I think there is a massive difference between relative success and what I would call actual or absolute success, that been Silverware 100% IMO, however if we made the grand final that would be a great success for Wakefield Trinity as we stand relative to our current circumstances.

Success to me would be just to get a bit of respect of the pundits. Not only have they said we are favourites to go down ,and the worst ground in S L .They now say we have the worst away support in S L .Success to me would have a season were we can shut them up

Seems there are a few on here that are just happy to take second best or even sit mid table and have a spade in the ground it's no wonder the club is getting nowhere with that attitude, I'm in it to win it every season else what's the point

Correct

We'd all love to win the GF or the Challenge Cup but, realistically, is that what you expect before the start of each season.
Those running the club should certainly have a plan to reach the top.
However, to go from last day survival, with London relegated and 10th from 11 last season (Toronto withdrawn), there would need to be one hell of a lot of stars aligning for us to gain a play off spot, never mind make the GF (and win it) !

I share your dream but, with where the club is at currently, starting from well down the shaft and with very little in terms of new players and looking one or two props light, we look likely to finish closer to the bottom than the top.

This isn't accepting defeat, it's just realism.

Like you, I would love Trinity to be a regular top 4 side and the ground developments are the first major step towards getting there, with the prospect of being able to attract new fans and more than we have had for a number of years.

It's all about progress and the club moving forward.
If those at the helm, supported by the fans, can get this right, "real" success will come and god knows, it's overdue.

True but at the same time I’m getting sick of the club saying they want to get to the CC final and then getting knocked out straight away. Or getting to a semi final and cocking it up.

having watched this mornings game storm v the bunnies Melbourne blitzed them within the first 20 minutes making the bunnies look inferior that's the difference between a side wanting to win, in the end it was a close game result wise this is what happens to us and we end up struggling to keep up heads go down and belief fades that has to stop.
what I want this year is a change to attitude I do expect a loss along the way as I'd be foolish to think otherwise I want to see someone laying the law down and I want to see a unity within the group even if the going gets tough

Cant argue with that Snowie